Is that the type of person it takes to start a "proud to be English" thread?

Anyhoo, the OP should use a capital "E" really. That's my take-away from it all.

The single most destructive element to international rugby league and to the RLIF is the ARL and their reluctance to take international rugby league seriously because they are far more concerned with club rugby and Origin.

I don't think the Aussies have anywhere near as much passion for the international game as the English. They have a lot of passion for Origin, but not the same internationals, hence part of the reason why the ARL generally don't care. The Aussies approach to internationals is that of bloody minded, machine-like professionalism. England or GB tend to lose because they have so much passion and emotion that their nerves get the better of them.

I am as proud to be English as any Scot is to be Scottish or any Yank to be American, I don't however stand for or sing the national anthem as I am not a royalist and like most countries we have a lot to be proud of and a lot to be ashamed of. I hate the EDF, BNP and all they stand for and the misuse of our flag for nationalist and racist purposes makes me sick. I accept that to be English is not a colour or a birth thing, but where you feel at home.

From an RL point of view, I cannot get into the England thing and would prefer to revert to GB and Ashes tours (as posted elswhere), its just my opinion and I always prefer to see England do well in ANY sport and hope we win the 4 nations.

Where is this passion you speak of? LSV has yet to sell out in an area relatively local to two of the most successful RL clubs in England one of them being the best supported in the country and this is England. Australia vs PNG in Brisbane would have far more enthusiasm. The reason Eng/GB&I lose is due to the quality of players they have the fact that Chase is no1 choice for half back is testament to that. You hear far more from Australian players and coaches about the importance of the international game than you do from the English players and coaches.

The exception to this appears to be Richard Lewis who see it as a priority but then again he was largely ignorant of RL before he joined the RFL. Australia has done more for the international game than any other country followed by New Zealand.

funny that, mine tends to drop when we end up with a Labour government (hopefully that wont be a problem for a long long long time)

Honestly I think we need to go back to having a GB team when we play the 2 big teams Aus & NZ . England is fine for playing European games.

On a personal note I'm very much English first but needs must and we need to play the top teams with every top player available to us.

I'd be proud to be English if I thought it was an achievement, but it isn't..... so I'm not.