actually mapleyther you have misunderstood my point entirely, i was in fact saying it will be a very close thing between jamaica and USA possibly a draw, thats why the USA may regret easing off in the second half yesterday because jamaica will i think beat the south african rhinos by a bigger margin than the USA did and that points difference could be crucial as to who qualifies for 2013, if i may just add for the record

That's not the format in 2013 MOT but England and Australia are in the same group surprise surprise.

Group A
ENGLAND
AUSTRALIA
FIJI
IRELAND

Group B
NEW ZEALAND
FRANCE
PAPUA NEW GUINEA
SAMOA

Group C
SCOTLAND
TONGA
EUROPEAN QUALIFIER (Lebanon, Serbia, Russia or Italy)

Group D
WALES
COOK ISLANDS
ATLANTIC QUALIFIER (USA, South Africa or Jamaica)

so will it go from 14 to 8 (if so how) or straight to the semi's?I assme it has to be the former.

Jamaica beat South Africa 20-6 in Philadelphia tonight. By all accounts it was a very scrappy in the rain. The Jamaican victory sets up an all or nothing final game against the USA Tomahawks on Sunday.
The winner of that one earns the Atlantic Zone seed for the 2013 Rugby League World Cup to be co-hosted by England and Wales. The Atlantic Zone representative will go into Pool D with Wales and Cook Islands.

At least it wasn't a whoopin for the Rhino's. I really hope they become more competitive, i think RL really needs a strong SA in international RL.

Highlights of this game are on Premier Sports this weekend on free to air.