Other than Fitz, I don't see any of the other players that are leaving as a 'loss' really.

Long, who played just a handful of games this year, will be replaced by a fit and younger Seymour. We also have Ellis as backup.

Gleeson played just a few games too, Martin has been signed for just one year, so i'd expect a decent centre for 2013, or the emergence of Turner.

Washbrook, Dowes, Radford & Lauaki have been poor for the past two years.

Fitz's role as a leader and tackle machine will be taken by Andy Lynch.

Signing Aaron Heremaia will means Danny Houghton doesn't have to do the full 80mins each week. He provides a decent kicking game too, which we seriously lack.

Wade McKinnon is better than Cameron Phelps.

I think we're a forward too light as it stands, although we do have 3/4 in the U20's who could potentially make the step up.

Weighing up the ins/outs, I'd say it was an improvement.

I think it's obvious hull will finish top, win every game and do the cc and gf double. How can they fail when they have signed ''the best player not to play for australia'' in Brett Seymour and ''the finest young talent west of the Pennines'' in eamonn o'carroll

I think the point of " marks are to quote, do you have a link to them quotes?

Yes funnily enough from a thread you posted unless you are calling yourself a liar