Yep. Saw a big number 6 on his back in the GF!

Brough should be in, we need an organising 7 with a kicking game, and McGuire isn't that.

100% agree with this.

No. Not as often as he does. His defence is shocking. You can't play Australia with liabilities like McGuire in the defensive line. Remember the last 4 nations in this country? 2009 we leaked points because Lee Smith and Danny McGuire couldn't tackle to save their lives.

Brough and Chase might be smaller in size, but both of them are far meaner in defence and at least show a bit of aggression.

Did you watch the grand final?

Clearly he missed at least two McGuire tackles that I would say were try savers and I thought his defensive effort in the GF was very good.

No he isn't the best half-back defensively, but he is not as bad as everyone makes out by a long way.

so,
3 of this squad were in the 2000 world cup squad .....
5 of this squad were in the team that were battered 44-4 in the 2004 tri-nations final...
10 of the squad that won only 1 game in the 2006 tri-nations tournament...
10 of the squad that were dismal in the 2008 World Cup...
14 of the squad that were thumped last year......

and yet we constantly get told the future is bright?
if so why do we see the same names cropping up for 10 years and more when in that times its been almost constant failure ??

In the last 12 months his defence has improved no end imo, yet people can't let go over past performances. He has matured as a player since he last pulled on the shirt, he may be slower but that has added to his game in other areas, he no longer relies of raw pace to cause problems. Brough has been dismal recently so I don't see what the sudden push for him to be picked has come from. Too many posters just don't like where the players come from rather than looking at the players themselves.

I can't quite get my head around why McGuire gets so much stick, especially regarding his GB/England performances. Yes he had a sticker against the Aussies a couple of years ago but he has no where near been as bad as people make out.

As for his Leeds form his record over the last 7 years speaks for itself.

as it goes I dont think he will be first choice SH or SO but I think he was the best player to fill the gap left by lomax.

So, given the players missing through injury (as per Charlie Sheen's post) who would you take out and put in instead?

Lets hear it?

Can't disagree with any of that and agree that Brough was definitely not in form at the close of the season.

I think so too!