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Quote: Wellsy13 "Are you country first? And if not, why not and what would it take for you to be?
If you are, why don't you think others are?

I think it's about time the RFL looked at the many reasons why people choose not to support their country in the numbers they should and look to address them instead of just accepting that the international game just isn't that big.'"


I think the problem here is that you're asking this question to hardened fans. We're pretty much all going to be club before country; we pour lots of time and money into following our clubs and are pretty much spent when it comes to internationals.

I think what the RFL need to realise is the modern trend towards how to sell international sports; concentrating all your resources on hardened club supporters isn't going to work, you need to look for the part-timers. The hardened supporters will have spent a lot of money and large portion of the year going to home matches, popping over the pennines, going to cardiff, going to London, going to Perpignan etc etc. It all adds up.

Part time supporters might have a keen interest in the sport, but they might not be able to afford the time or money to follow a team. When a big event comes around that is marketed properly, particularly an international, they'll head to that. For example, a fella from Fev who has moved to Kent and has a young family. If the tickets are a tenner, will he take his family to a) Fev vs Skolars, b) Quins vs Salford or c) Wembley Double Header.

Similarly, you live in London, you're new to the game, got a mate who bangs on about RL, you've seen a couple of matches on Sky, which were good and you just want a good, different night out. Which of those three options would you chose?

You look at RU, Football and Cricket. The international matches are targetted at part timers. They develop a comprehensive media and sponsorship portfolio and make the image of matches as prestigious as possible. We can argue all we want about what we think about Eng/GB etc, but it doesn't really matter in a way because the international games needs marketing beyond us.

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Quote: Wembley71 "You have the same misinterpretation I did. There's no minimum number on the ticket deal, and no obligation to take extended deals with travel and/or accommodation.'"


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So it looks like the RFL looked at that and addressed the matter.

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The lack of competitiveness can't be underestimated when it comes to small crowds for internationals in England. There are a lot of bandwagon supporters of GB/England - if we really look likely to beat Australia when it counts, people would turn up. But if we get smashed when the big crowd turns up, a lot of people wouldn't bother going again. Unfortunately the near future promises more of the same. I can't see England getting close to Australia any time soon.

People should also remember that international RL in Australia is way behind Origin and the NRL. There's more interest in NZ as they are now regularly competitive, and even the Aussie fans are starting to take interest when they play (and an added side-benefit is we're starting to see more young Kiwis who are eligible to pick either Australia or NZ opting for NZ). But there really is no interest at all in seeing England as far as I can tell.

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Quote: BrisbaneRhino "The lack of competitiveness can't be underestimated when it comes to small crowds for internationals in England. There are a lot of bandwagon supporters of GB/England - if we really look likely to beat Australia when it counts, people would turn up. But if we get smashed when the big crowd turns up, a lot of people wouldn't bother going again. Unfortunately the near future promises more of the same. I can't see England getting close to Australia any time soon.

People should also remember that international RL in Australia is way behind Origin and the NRL. There's more interest in NZ as they are now regularly competitive, and even the Aussie fans are starting to take interest when they play (and an added side-benefit is we're starting to see more young Kiwis who are eligible to pick either Australia or NZ opting for NZ). But there really is no interest at all in seeing England as far as I can tell.'"

You make a very good point about the bandwagon.
People often use the argument that a club's hardcore support can be measured by the size of the crowd against one of the lesser teams with few travelling fans. If you look at England, our hardcore support is about 12k (what we usually get against France and Wales in competitive fixtures). Should we look to build this up first, and the rest will follow maybe?

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