I didnt say it was required for them to get a license, i said it was required for them to guarantee themselves a license.

The object of licenses, the object of the RFL and the SC and pretty much all the rules of off the field SL is based on getting the bottom clubs to the level of the top clubs. That isnt achieved by throwing away the growth already gained by Wakefield so Halifax can try in three - five years time to be slightly less crap than the crapest club in the competition.

At some stage you will need to accept that your 'we' is a tiny fraction of those brought to RL by SL and the things the RFL are doing.

You arent forgotten, you get a fair amount, you just refuse to accept that your club is in the position it is in because of your club and its limited appeal is because it has a limited appeal. Not because of the big bad RFL.

Although franchising does bring some benefits, in that it allows the club to play youngsters rather than just buying Aussie has-beens to get through another season, or forces clubs to consider fan comfort, as a sports fan, I am all for promotion and relegation.

Let the cream rise. If we fail, let us fight our way back on the field.

The difficulty you will have is the RFL regard franchising as a success, and those clubs who are not at risk but would be with promotion and relegation won't support a change. Who gave a stuff about the franchising decision, other than out of curiosity, apart from Wakey and Halifax, and to a lesser degree, Cas? None, that's who.

So you think that the RFL are correct in giving Wakefield a licence, but you previously posted this.


Strange shift in opinion.

I'll agree with the 1st part , but disagree with the 2nd , unsurprisingly

As bad as Wakefield were/are, I've seen nothing which would lead me to believe 'Fax would be any better.

I suggest they follow the superb examples shown by Andy Glover and others at Wakefield and Steve O'Connor and others at Widnes. Both have been through various examples of adversity, testing times and big personal risk - yet remained positive and determined to demonstrate to the RFL they were worthy of places in SL. As I've said elsewhere, the process we have has been agreed by the clubs, it's up to the clubs to embrace it and raise standards at every level. I accept its tough for non-SL clubs without the SKY money and the inevitably lower crowds they get - but that's the way it is. Instead of moaning, continue to grow your club. The fans clearly bought into Glover and O'Connor and have backed their clubs. If Halifax aren't careful, their fans might just give up.

So Wakeys attendances have rocketed since Mr Glover turned up ?

Widnes are getting more since Mr O Connor turned up ?

Are they ?

Or is it just more bollox

Yes you are right , Faxs fans might give up , I certainly have , SL is now a closed shop , just as we all suggested it would be , and the Championships ( Christ they even changed the bloody name of the comp to accommodate a French club that has now left ) will continue to struggle

I will say one thing though Starbug: Do you know how many people watched the Championships in the last round (excluding the Widnes crowd of 3,873) last weekend? 8,078. Super League matches brought in 54,559. I'd say that 8k figure has to treble before the RFL sit up and take notice, and probably justifiably so. With those kind of numbers should the RFL give a hoot about life outside Super league?

Probably not , but I'd be happier if they just told us as much , and stopped messing about with the competitions like they do , and pretending they give a stuff , like feeding Fax the titbit they did at the end of last year

They either don't give a stuff or are just too stupid , personally I think they want us around , but not to get any better/ bigger , a bit like having a puppy to kick occasionally when you have a bad day at work