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Quote: Michael_Ward "And it was a nervous day for me when I was waiting to see if the RFL were happy to allow Leigh in to SL for 2005.

But after that decision we had to then go on and actually win a final. On the field. With Rugby League players. Remember them? Remember when it mattered what those players could do?

In 3 seasons time Widnes could find themselves outside super league again. And it won't have mattered a jot what the Widnes players achieve over the next 3 years. Because it's not really sport any more.

There are two distinct competitions, and movement between them is arbitrary and unrelated to sport. Clubs are given licences based on whatever criteria is motivating the RFL at that present time. Of course, the RFL will sugar coat the criteria for public consumption.

But when the RFL are willing to do things such as excluding a stadium that is a couple of months from completion from their scoring system, then its plain to me that the criteria are being manipulated to suit.

And if the Crusaders still manage to get a licence this time then it shows that despite the protestations of the RFL, the system is neither fair nor level.'"


I agree with you that the whole process is flawed & unfair, but, rules are rules, and for the moment anyway, looks like they're here to stay.
What annoys me is the fact that supporters from other championship teams (and some Super League teams, may I add), seem to take great pleasure in putting the boot into how Widnes gained promotion to Super League, at the end of the day, The RFL set out the rules, Widnes followed those rules to the letter, and guess what, we got in.
If Barrow & Halifax had bothered to put the effort into their business plans, and academy set-ups, instead of trying to "buy" their way into the top flight, then maybe, just maybe, they may have been given the nod ahead of Widnes.

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Quote: littlerich "icon_lol.gif
So, are you saying everything we now have in place, which got us a SL spot, is entirely due to Steve O’Connor?

Didn’t we have the biggest attendances in the Championship/NL1 before the O’Connor era?

Didn’t we already have a ‘World class’ academy set up before the O’Connor era?

Didn’t we already have a new stadium before the O’Connor era?

These are all aspects which have been talked about as being the major assets that help bring SL, and we already had them before Steve O’Connor arrived.

All Steve O’Connor has done is bring us on even further, after an initial large investment of £1.2 Million, and negotiate advantageous agreements with the local council. He has brought in a plethora of excellent sponsorship and runs the club far better than we have ever been run before. This ensures that, what we have always had in place is now sustainable and not likely to drag us into administration again.

The fact is, it would have been far more difficult for him to have done this, for the money that he has spent, at any other Championship level club, including Halifax. Because they do not have in place, the things Widnes had when he took over. You could probably include some current Super League clubs in that too.

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Quote: Pepe "
Didn’t we have the biggest attendances in the Championship/NL1 before the O’Connor era?

Didn’t we already have a ‘World class’ academy set up before the O’Connor era?

Didn’t we already have a new stadium before the O’Connor era?'"


Weren't you about to go titsup before the O'Connor era?

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Quote: Big Graeme "Weren't you about to go titsup before the O'Connor era?'"


Yep. And they forget that. Good things in place or not they wouldn't be doing any of it if SOC hadn't bailed em out. Fair play to em but I don't get the point of pretending otherwise!

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nobody is pretending otehrwise. the annoyance comes because statements like that are often wrapped up in the implication that we ONLY got a franchsie because our chairman IS rich and therefore influential, as if he is applying pressure to the powers that be through his financial clout.
yes its true we probably wouldnt have existed without him, so wouldnt have been around to apply in the first place. but many of us rightly feel its a bit misleading and disingenuous so say or imply (which is often the case) we only gained a franchise BECAUSE our chairman happens to have money.
No, we still EXIST because a rich guy bought the club. We gained a place in superleague ON MERIT.

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Thankfully the SKY commentary team yesterday didn't go overboard with the ' tick ' , maybe it was because it wasn't Eddie,Stevo and Phil

Hopefully a sign of things to come , then again it's looking like we won't be on the box much anyway so we can all hopefully get back to watching it live

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