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Quote: vikingsmurf "i know, lets 'save' them by doing the old Sheddersfield Egliants switcheroo with my beloved widnes. Crysaders will basically cease to exist and everything at Widnes will carry on as normal, same name, same staff, same stadium, sam kit colors etc. but just like the aforementioned example and GatesHull Thundarks we will actually be 'saving' crusaders.

Don't think they should be saved. I don't think moving the WCrusaders back down south would be a goer. Supporters from Bridgend and potential supporters from Nooport were both screwed over by Turnip. Apart from those dhimmis who followed them North, I reckon they'd struggle for support back down here. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

Wrexham had a ready made SL team handed to them. They didn't build up a loyalty over years which could see them through the lean results. So it is no surprise that support fell right off on the back of a handful of kickings. No emotional bond there.

FAR better to leave the WCrusaders to stand or fall on their own merits. Like the WWF and pandas. You can spend millions on trying to save a species that would rather eat sugar cane than breed, but eventually, if they are determined to become extinct, they will.

Let the WCrusaders fold if that is the way they are heading and let other clubs in Wales form or move to more suitable leagues and gain promotion WHEN THEY ARE READY AND VIABLE.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate " if you were to ask a cross section of supporters whether they would happily see another club in the mire, to protect their own, the yes vote would be overwhelming.

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Of course it would DA.That's if everybody answered honestly.You will always get one or two bullters saying they would happily have their club step aside 'for the good of the game' but that's all they are,bullters.It's only human nature to want the best for oneself,even if it's at the expense of another.When a person goes for a job along with another dozen candidates does he/she hope that the best person gets the job for the good of the company or they themselves get the job?

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[b:6jl68bf5][quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]Please tell me what a coach’s job is.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Matt89":6jl68bf5]phipps knows best (everything about rugby league) so don't disagree!!!![/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Huddersfield1895 AKA dally messenger":6jl68bf5] Having read the article several times I'm still confused[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Damo-Leeds":6jl68bf5]I shall keep posting on this thread and derail it as much as I want to.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [b:6jl68bf5][quote="PHIPPS":6jl68bf5]Sadly for Wigan as soon as Maguire gets an offer from an NRL club he will be on the plane home before you can say 'meat and potato pie'[/quote:6jl68bf5] [/b:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]I like you Phipps. I like your style.[/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Chorlton RL":6jl68bf5]As far as gauging the potential in the South West, I'd have thought the rumoured Wembley international double-header at the end of the season would be good way to do this. [/quote:6jl68bf5] [quote="Conorgiantsfan":6jl68bf5]You really annoy me. Like genital warts, but worse.[/quote:6jl68bf5]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_50156.jpg



Quote: GSF "Of course it would DA.That's if everybody answered honestly.You will always get one or two bullters saying they would happily have their club step aside 'for the good of the game' but that's all they are,bullters.It's only human nature to want the best for oneself,even if it's at the expense of another.When a person goes for a job along with another dozen candidates does he/she hope that the best person gets the job for the good of the company or they themselves get the job?'"



Sadly a lot of workshy layabouts who earn more money on the dole than they would in a job (but have to attend interviews or their benefits get cut) definately hope the former.

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Quote: PHIPPS "Sadly a lot of workshy layabouts who earn more money on the dole than they would in a job (but have to attend interviews or their benefits get cut) definately hope the former.'"




That's not a nice thing to say about the team that run the RFL.

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[b:1swa1vwo]Change is inevitable ...except from a vending machine![/b:1swa1vwo] [quote="BillyRhino":1swa1vwo]So in best IA mode ..<.Possibley World Class, could be the greatest thing since sliced bread....am personally very excited, and confidently expect him to prove my predictions are bang on target.... Alternatively he could be rubbish> IA mode off. :wink:[/quote:1swa1vwo]:33791.jpg



Quote: Early Bath "Well Its only a postulation IA but grossly unfair to highlight of one of the handful only of clubs never to go bust. Yes 100 years of paying debts, bringing through stars of the past and present, a club which has lived within its means, gaining respect on how well its affairs have been handled through the years - a club not without success but agreed it is some time ago. So - why deny them the opportunity to function in their spanking new stadium in an area with a drawing power of maybe 2 million Northerners. Keep postulating matey.'"


Firstly, a bit of advice, you really need to shake off that inferiority complex that so many Salford fans unfortunately have... I don't think Salford are in any way inferior, so why do you?

Secondly, it is grossly unfair to take my post totally of out context (although I suspect you could not help yourself... see above) or possibly you failed to read the full exchange between Smokey and I (and to be fair, I would let you off if that is the case)? Lets just assume that you just didn't understand the context of my post as I think that is most likely the reason for your highly defensive reply.

In respect of the current franchising process then it might surprise you to hear (although, if you had read some of my other posts on the VT on Salford then it wouldn't be a surprise at all) that I think Salford should be 100% granted a franchise and if I had to 'rank' them, certainly way ahead of Wakefield, Castleford, Quins, Crusaders. The main reasons being that they have been around for a very long time but most importantly they (well Salford Council and Peel) have invested in delivering a new stadium and it would be more than grossly unfair to deny them a franchise given this and the emphasis that the current regime at the RFL (rightly of wrongly) have placed on this element of the applications.

I also don't know if you purposely meant to further back up my argument as to why Wakefield should be given a franchise ahead of Crusaders (the thing I have been arguing about) but if you take out the 'never gone bust comment' then don't you and Wakefield sound a lot alike?

I postulated this scenario to Smokey to highlight is anti-Wakefield bias and not put Salford down and he duly obliged in his, yet again, p1ss poor reply below -

Quote: Early Bath "Yes. If Salford werent a club that had invested massively in young british players, hadnt put in place the long-term plans they have done, hadnt succeeded in building new facilities the game could be proud of and didnt have the proven financial stability they have then yes. They would likely also be in trouble. fact is, they did these things.'"


You see the thing is Smokey thinks that Wakefield should go ahead of Crusaders, where I believe Crusaders should not be given another licence and that the RFL should start again, with the hindsight gained, with a longer term strategy to work on getting the South Wales Scorpions (or it's successors club) into SL. You see, that was the RFL's idea was is it not, to get a SL in South Wales... otherwise, why didn't the RFL start a team up in Wrexham in the first place... of was this the 'Baldrick-esque' cunning plan all along?

Finally, the massive main point of my postulation, that you totally missed, was in actual fact, despite Salford being the poorest team on-field in the SL era (sorry, matey hate to break this to you... this is true!) that even if they had not got Salford council to build them a nice new stadium I still think they should be given a licence and Crusaders not!

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Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Firstly, a bit of advice, you really need to shake off that inferiority complex that so many Salford fans unfortunately have... I don't think Salford are in any way inferior, so why do you?

Secondly, it is grossly unfair to take my post totally of out context (although I suspect you could not help yourself... see above) or possibly you failed to read the full exchange between Smokey and I (and to be fair, I would let you off if that is the case)? Lets just assume that you just didn't understand the context of my post as I think that is most likely the reason for your highly defensive reply.

In respect of the current franchising process then it might surprise you to hear (although, if you had read some of my other posts on the VT on Salford then it wouldn't be a surprise at all) that I think Salford should be 100% granted a franchise and if I had to 'rank' them, certainly way ahead of Wakefield, Castleford, Quins, Crusaders. The main reasons being that they have been around for a very long time but most importantly they (well Salford Council and Peel) have invested in delivering a new stadium and it would be more than grossly unfair to deny them a franchise given this and the emphasis that the current regime at the RFL (rightly of wrongly) have placed on this element of the applications.'"
So you made an argument you didnt believe, then attributed it to me, then argued against it, then pretended you had argued against my argument? par for the course really.

Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I also don't know if you purposely meant to further back up my argument as to why Wakefield should be given a franchise ahead of Crusaders (the thing I have been arguing about) but if you take out the 'never gone bust comment' then don't you and Wakefield sound a lot alike?'"
If you take out the not going bust, getting a new stadium and access to a potential support base of 2million people which leaves 'a club not without success but agreed it is some time ago' but yes, that probably does sound a bit like Wakefield.

Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "I postulated this scenario to Smokey to highlight is anti-Wakefield bias and not put Salford down and he duly obliged in his, yet again, p1ss poor reply below -'"
So hang on. You agree (even though strangely it is your example of a club that should be in trouble) that Salford are different, have more going for them, and even you think they arent and shouldnt be in trouble because of what they have managed but to say so is a poor reply?

Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "You see the thing is Smokey thinks that Wakefield should go ahead of Crusaders,'"
Whilst i do, I havent said so anywhere on this thread, it wasnt and still isnt my argument, It is your attempt again to attribute something to me which I havent said, because you are trying to change the argument to cover up for what you know to be your pathetic death riding of another club so you can carry on licking the ass of the Wakefield fans and you can continue to feel special
Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "where I believe Crusaders should not be given another licence and that the RFL should start again, with the hindsight gained, with a longer term strategy to work on getting the South Wales Scorpions (or it's successors club) into SL. '"
Why? What good would writing off everything achieved up to now and alienating the current fanbase do, just to start over all over again?
Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "You see, that was the RFL's idea was is it not, to get a SL in South Wales... otherwise, why didn't the RFL start a team up in Wrexham in the first place... of was this the 'Baldrick-esque' cunning plan all along?'"
The RFL didnt set up Crusaders. Why does it make a huge difference to you if the SL club for Wales is in North Wales instead of south?

Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "Finally, the massive main point of my postulation, that you totally missed, was in actual fact, despite Salford being the poorest team on-field in the SL era (sorry, matey hate to break this to you... this is true!) that even if they had not got Salford council to build them a nice new stadium I still think they should be given a licence and Crusaders not!

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