Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"really? when are England next playing france? '"
My sources have been saying it's being organized as a warm-up to the 4N for England, in a similar way to when we used to play Wales.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"We arent playing them, they get the chance, if they are the best of the other northern hemisphere sides once ever 4 years. Its less than a token effort. '"
But they aren't the best. Wales beat them. And it's a friendly, we can arrange one against who we see fit for our needs. That's what friendlies are for.
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Between 1956 and 1980 Queensland won one series.
They have won 5 series in a row twice in the last 30 years and 8 of the first 10 post 1980 SoO series. Thats pretty uncompetitive.'"
Each of those games were pretty close. How many games were 50/60pt blow-outs?
Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"It is swings and roundabouts, sometimes you are up and sometimes down. If you want to pretend origin was instantly competitive and instantly successful, fine, pretend what you like but history will show you were wrong.
Origin is a success because they have stayed with it when it didnt look competitive, they stayed with it when one team struggled, stayed with it when the fans didnt appreciate it and built it into what it is today. Precisely the opposite of what we have done with France and that is the reason it hasnt been a success because we didnt put the time, effort and commitment to make it so.'"
If you want to pretend that the only reason origin was a success is because they stuck with it, that's up to you.