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After seeing Chris Ashtons MOM performance for England at the weekend, who would you say is the biggest loss to union??

Chris Ashton?
Jason Robinson?

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Quote: cjhatesunion "you're either taking the mickey or new to the sport,which one is it.
No was just replying to a rather daft comment. Arguably Post WWII RL recovered quicker than RU did. RL golden era was during the 1950s, during that period it was enormously more popular than prior to the outbreak of world war II; so to say it was the biggest loss.

Despite what has been written in terms of clubs and participation RL at no point overtook RU. What did change during the 1950s was the the RFU got it's act together started producing a stream of players that resulted in success on the field as RL began to wane in france it occured just after FRU were having on the field success in the 5 nations. The opposite had happened in 1931 when france were kicked out of the five nations this had a massive impact on the RU communities many of which adopted RL. It is not a coincidence that french RL and French RL have never been strong at the same time.

The biggest problem in France occured when RU started becoming embedded in french culture, that has never gone away. You want to see evidence of this look at how the likes of Toulouse and Perpignan RU are run and play and compare it with les Catalans ( you could almost mistake them for Wakefield). Until player development in france is run so abysmally they will allways struggle.

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Quote: Thoth "No was just replying to a rather daft comment. Arguably Post WWII RL recovered quicker than RU did. RL golden era was during the 1950s, during that period it was enormously more popular than prior to the outbreak of world war II; so to say it was the biggest loss.

Despite what has been written in terms of clubs and participation RL at no point overtook RU. What did change during the 1950s was the the RFU got it's act together started producing a stream of players that resulted in success on the field as RL began to wane in france it occured just after FRU were having on the field success in the 5 nations. The opposite had happened in 1931 when france were kicked out of the five nations this had a massive impact on the RU communities many of which adopted RL. It is not a coincidence that french RL and French RL have never been strong at the same time.

The biggest problem in France occured when RU started becoming embedded in french culture, that has never gone away. You want to see evidence of this look at how the likes of Toulouse and Perpignan RU are run and play and compare it with les Catalans ( you could almost mistake them for Wakefield). Until player development in france is run so abysmally they will allways struggle.'"


Fair do's mate you know your stuff. icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Grendel "Occurs to me that the TV rights going to Sky didn't help either. Not everyone has Sky Sports, note even everyone who has Sky has Sky sports.

Say what you like about the BBC. If they have the rights to a major sport, they tend to show a lot of it.

Obviously the Sky money is critical in keeping many clubs solvent, but it doesn't exactly spread the game into new areas.'"


I dunno. I never followed Rugby League before it was on Sky so I cant say how the situation was but from what I have heard and read, lots of Rugby League Clubs were going to the wall. I found Rugby League as a 12 year old tuning into Sky Sports on a friday night so it being on Sky worked for me. icon_smile.gif

Also how much coverage would BBC really give Rugby Leage if Sky never purchased the rights? Would have we seen summer Rugby league? Would have BBC shown at least two live games per week? How about a championship game?

I have serious doubts that the game would be better off or bigger if it stayed on BBC.

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I have to say that Henry Paul was the biggest loss for Super League. He was a truely talented player who added a lot to the competition.

I agree that Ashton did have a lot of holes in his game, who knows what would have happened but given that our lack of a fullback in last years 4 nations we could have done with a few extra options.

France is a clever one and hard to argue against, nice post Damo.

I would have to say that from a GB perspective that Iestyn Harris was a massive loss. I great play maker when the GB team lacked great playmakers.

The truly sad thing was that Paul and Harris were not very good Union players. So it was a loss on both sides (money for them, talent for us).

When you think about it the NRL have suffered a lot more than us. Losing players of the quality of Gasnier, SBW and Matt Rogers should have crippled them.

After watching the Barnes vs Stevo debate on Skysports.com I have to say that English Rugby Union are taking short cuts rather than putting the hard work in. I know we are not benefitting from having our players taken but they are not really benefitting from it either. Its a sad state of affairs one both sides.

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I think Eastmond will struggle because of his size, the only place he could play is in the halfs, but good luck to him. I feel sorry for Saints who developed him into the player he is & they let Long go as he was to be the new man, but maybe they should have tied him to a 10 year deal then they would at least have demanded a large transfer if he was intent on going? If our clubs want to hold on they must show faith & offer good long deals to young players they would just have to structure the deal to reward succsess by insentive based payments.

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