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Just out of interest can some one list the Crusaders overseas players.
I can think of: Tony Martin, Witt, Sammut, O'Hara, Withers, Bryant.
Are Chan, Winterstein, Peek and Schifcofske still at crusaders.
Cheers (sorry for any spelling mistakes)
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| Quote Pepe="Pepe"It is a bit of a red herring to state that a 100 year history should mean that a club should automatically be able to call on a team full of locals. No club in Super League can do this. In Hull KR’s case, before entering SL in 2007, they had just spent 20 years in the lower leagues, where few clubs can afford to run a full academy set up. Only with a wealthy backer willing to put his own money in to youth development can this happen. Given that there is little protection, for lower league clubs against poaching from SL clubs, it is very unlikely that the majority of lower league clubs would spend what little money they have on academies.
Thus, Hull KR’s youth development did not start until 2007. They do have far too many overseas players, but I’m sure that will change. East Hull has been producing many RL players for the greater game outside of Super League, and has done so for many years. There is a sport called RL outside of Super League.
Let’s hope that Wrexham can one day match East Hull in that respect, as well as producing some top class international players. With the Scorpions, and with some considerable effort in setting up a thriving amateur scene in North Wales, this could happen.'"
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| Quote crucrucrusaders="crucrucrusaders":ibdp8gqnAt the moment stands at 10. I was very surprised to find that teams such as Hull KR that have way over 100 years on our fledgling club in a rugby league heartland have as many as 9 of their own.
I find that a lot more shocking than a team preparing for their 3rd year in Super League and only their 6th year in rugby league altogether from a non traditional rugby league area.
Can we just reply with 'look at Rovers' every time somebody has a go at our Aussie Army from now on?'"
Hopefully they will now be able to consolidate and build for the future , but it in no way gives you licence to have a go at any other club |
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It was just a thread to remind those that point the finger to look in the mirror once in a while.
Not a dig in particular at KR but a prime example was their club so they were used off the top of my head.
If nothing else, and in danger of coming across a bit boy george, I'm looking forward to seeing Big Willie in Super League if nothing else. Stuart Fielden is having cold sweats and waking up 10 times a night just thinking about it.
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| Quote crucrucrusaders="crucrucrusaders"
If nothing else, and in danger of coming across a bit boy george, I'm looking forward to seeing Big Willie in Super League if nothing else. Stuart Fielden is having cold sweats and waking up 10 times a night just thinking about it.'"
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Martin, Mellars, Witt, Sammutt, O'Hara, Withers, Bryant, Chan, Peek, Schifcofske, Hanbury, Frankenstein
(12 Foreigners at the Cru for the moment)
White, Kear, Dudson, Flower, Turkey & Murphy
(6 Welsh Born lads currently in the squad)
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disgrace, kick 'em out!
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"because up to now it is the Celtic Crusaders and the club in Neath that have ' converted ' union lads to RL [ notice I said ' converted ' , not produced which is what Heartland clubs have to do , '"
Is it easier to convert an amateur RU player into a pro RL player, than "produce" a pro RL player from an amateur RL player then?  |
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| Quote Richie="Richie"Is it easier to convert an amateur RU player into a pro RL player, than "produce" a pro RL player from an amateur RL player then?
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I'm presuming he means bringing a lad through your clubs scholarship system from a young age rather than picking up a lad of 18/19 and 'converting' them. |
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| Quote ap1717="ap1717"Martin, Mellars, Witt, Sammutt, O'Hara, Withers, Bryant, Chan, Peek, Schifcofske, Hanbury, Frankenstein
(12 Foreigners at the Cru for the moment)
White, Kear, Dudson, Flower, Turkey & Murphy
(6 Welsh Born lads currently in the squad)'"
Also Gareth Thomas and Jordan James (dont know where they were born but they are Welsh)
Crusaders also have a Welsh head coach. How many Super League clubs have a British Coach? Not many |
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As long as SL Chairmen and coaches put club interests before those of the national team or the game as a whole, then despite rulings and caps on the number of overseas players any club can have, they will always have the maximum they are allowed. When Maguire was appointed coach at Wigan he will have been briefed to make them the most successful club in the league. To maintain last year's position he has signed three top Aussies in Finch, Hoffman and Adam Blair? You cannot blame him. But if the national teams needs were considered we would be developing more of our own talent and relying less on imported talent. Cricket have got it right according to Shane Warne. A vibrant County Competition with promotion and relegation, which exposes England's youngsters to top flight experience in the top division, which is then called upon by the country as and when it is needed. I know cricket has its own problems (and imported players) but it does seem to be getting the needs of the Counties (clubs) balanced with those of the national team at the moment. Let's hope our game can do the same.
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