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| NottinghamTiger - This has to be the most pi$$ poor attempt at trolling i have seen from any of your accounts (Scorpions for super league/Toulouse for SL/Toulouse for Super L/rhinofox/whatever all the others were). Very poor effort. 
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"I am fine with expansion , as long as it is done properly , if you are suggesting that the Crusaders project is the correct way to expand the sport and bring credibility to it , then you really need to think again , it could have been done much simpler and better without headlines of visa irregularilities and administrations
Similarily telling lies and ' pretending ' that clubs are being judged equally is not the way to retain what credibility the governing body still has within the clubs support base'" 'Expansion done properly'=until it affects my club. Don't even try and deny that is the case. That's why you have no present issues with Scorpions and London Skolars. 'Expansion done properly', to many fans involves teams at the bottom of the pyramid getting flogged and posing no threat. As soon as teams become successful, suddenly it is unfair and corrupt. Crusaders are not the best, I have discussed why on another thread. The intention of the RFL is the right one though.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"So ' selection of players ' is not an issue that affects what happens on the pitch ? , if that is the case then why have different ' selection rules ' ?'"
Everything has an affect indirectly onto the pitch in the end. The selection of players (i.e. quotas, etc.) is for your squad, and at the end of the day you can't play everyone in your squad in one game, so it's not on on-the-field issue. Squad building is an off-the-field issue. The laws on the pitch are the same for every club, that is what makes sport a sport. Not how you are allowed to select your team.
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| Quote imwakefieldtillidie="imwakefieldtillidie"I'd make this your last ever post. Save making a fool of yourself anymore.'"
Wasn't part of your argument based on the fact you thought Wakefield finished 5th last season? And I'm making a fool of myself?
But yeah, good counter argument. Well thought out. You should maybe take your own advice. 
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| Quote Widnes 'till i die="Widnes 'till i die"NottinghamTiger - This has to be the most pi$$ poor attempt at trolling i have seen from any of your accounts (Scorpions for super league/Toulouse for SL/Toulouse for Super L/rhinofox/whatever all the others were). Very poor effort.
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Interesting. I have never posted here under another name (as I am sure my IP address would confirm). I'm quite happy to express my opinions and don't need to create various accounts to do so.
Seems like a bit of a trend to bracket those who have opinions as either trolls, flat-cappers or anti-expansionists. There is certainly a reluctance to accept that people can have different opinions from some posters, who simply resort to playground bickering and insults towards those who simply have a different view.
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| Quote nottinghamtiger="nottinghamtiger"Would it therefore be fair if one team could select more players than the other, as this would be a competition issue ad they would all play by the same rules on the pitch?'"
No, that wouldn't be a competition issue. The rules [uon the pitch[/u state that you are allowed to select a maximum of 13 players and 4 interchange players. They are the laws of the game that make a sport a sport. How you select those 17 players isn't.
You're confusing yourself.
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| Quote imwakefieldtillidie="imwakefieldtillidie"I also think it's a fair discussion too. And it's clear that most fans think those running the game are turning the game into a joke.'"
I think it's clear that only a select few who support certain clubs that are in danger or clubs that will never be good enough to make it think it's a joke as they are too concerned at their own self interest to see that the sport is trying its best to improve itself and its clubs business-wise so that the sport can expand.
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"Everything has an affect indirectly onto the pitch in the end. The selection of players (i.e. quotas, etc.) is for your =#FF0000squad, and at the end of the day you can't play everyone in your =#FF0000squad in one game, so it's not on on-the-field issue. =#FF0000Squad building is an off-the-field issue. The laws on the pitch are the same for every club, that is what makes sport a sport. Not how you are allowed to select your=#FF0000 team.'"
Squad/team = same thing , so how you are allowed to select them is very relevant
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"I think it's clear that only a select few who support certain clubs that are in danger or clubs that will never be good enough to make it think it's a joke as they are too concerned at their =#FF0000own self interest to see that the sport is trying its best to improve itself and its clubs business-wise so that the sport can expand.'"
And the reverse is also clear , would you not say ?
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| Quote Wellsy13="Wellsy13"I think it's clear that only a select few who support certain clubs that are in danger or clubs that will never be good enough to make it think it's a joke as they are too concerned at their own self interest to see that the sport is trying its best to improve itself and its clubs business-wise so that the sport can expand.'"
Maybe, it's certainly the likes of Cas and Wakefield fans who are (rightly) more concerned.
The question is - is the best way for the sport to improve itself to include a Crusaders club who cannot seem to run for a season without lurching from one problem to another? I am actually in favour of expansion (yes, really) but it has to be done properly and with a fairness to existing clubs.
And I'll also point out that if Cas don't get a franchise in 2011 there will be nobody to blame but the club themself.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Squad/team = same thing , so how you are allowed to select them is very relevant'"
The rules on the pitch state that you are allowed to select a maximum of 13 players and 4 interchange players. They are the laws of the game that make a sport a sport. How you select those 17 players isn't. That is a competition issue.
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