we should play ellis in the , hes played there before and will be good defensivly. bring westwood in at 2nd row and put crabtree/ harrison on the bench. didnt brown used 2 b a maybe another option because hes not performing at stand off

Indeed, at 18-0, I'm sure our Australian and New Zealand friends were already composing their posts in their minds about how a 50 point flogging was killing International League etc etc (and annoyingly, also the English Rugby League fans who seem to revel in their teams losses for some reason)

I’m also sure that a lot were relived so see the video ref decision go against Brown... it would have been 18-16 with 15 minutes on the clock

As I have stated before, England did not play well enough to win the game on Saturday but it was not the embarrassment that some suggest (and hoped for of course)

I wouldnt have minded seeing England win.

I like it when the underdog puts one over someone.


But you are right... they simply didn't play well enough.


The worrying thing for me was how they just seemed to accept it was going to happen. They showed little or no passion, the tackling was poor and as we have said before... tours like this are just a holiday for England after a long year.

I do agree with the issue of taking anyone on tour who you're never going to pick though. What's the point? You may as well take one player less and save the airfare.

Tells me he has played exceptionally well in the NRL this past season and deserves his place... and there are 10 other outside backs who could also have been brought in who would do equally as well... I think that Sheens is his club coach was what got him the gig.



oh what 10?...
Boyd, Gordon, Uate, Ferguson, Croker (J), Dugan, Coote, Lawrence, Cooper, Gasnier.... and thats without thinking...

England have to pull a kid out of Australian reserve grade to play... (good prospect his is!)

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 121753.stm Four Nations: England lose injured Michael Shenton

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 121753.stm Four Nations: England lose injured Michael Shenton