Looks good to me.

No point playing Graham - we know he can hack it against the best and will be better off with the rest.

Question marks hang over Griffin, so McNamara has given him a chance to show his worth against a very good pack

The result doens't bother me tomorrow morning - the main thing is getting the 1,6,7,9 combo working.

The first 20 min of the second half are all important. The first half will be a bit of a write off as the players will be getting used to playing with one another and each others styles, then they should get in at half time, talk through where things are going right/wrong, and then 20 mins after the half to put them into practice. I expect England to drop off in the last 20 as they get tired.

Looking forward to it

England are going to get torn a new one.
Tomkins will be lucky to see out the series as he will have that much traffic aimed at him, not because he is that good but because he is the only key player in the English backs the rest are sh*te.
Think Watmough on Burrow in the WCC.

Nice biased opinion from a Wigan fan there, don't see that often. Shenny wasn't that good for us this year however last year he tore teams apart in the centre and if he can score the amount of tries he does with poor (in your opinion) players at the side of him how many will he score with quality players at Saints feeding him the ball?

You do realise that was nowhere near the England full team dont you? The players probably just didn't want to get injured and the result really didn't matter. Judge the boys on Saturday rather than a warm up game huh? Did you judge the Wigan team in the pre-season games? No, you didn't, so why do you with England?

Can I just mention these two. You say Shenton was anonymous. Indeed, we didn't see much of him,
but -
How many time did we see either centre get the ball when attacking outwide in the actual centre channel? I'm remeber shenton getting it once close to their line but toopi got him as soon as he'd caught it - that's the only time I can really remeber. Bar supporting breaks, the only time our centres get the ball is when they scoot from dummy half or crash it up to help the forwards out.

That's not what centres are there for.
If you watch Wigan this year, Gleeson and Carmont get plenty of ball early enough to take on the defence and make a contribution. The England centres should be getting the same service.

Its no wonder it took us 20 minutes to score the first try despite having all the possesion and territory.

Large portions of that game were , but I find it hard to level the balme at guys that do what we're asking weekly at their clubs often against stronger oppostion than Saturday's.

Nowhere near the England team? There was Graham missing, maybe Fielden. Thats the full team isn't it?

So you think it's acceptable that a week before we play our first test match we cannot beat what is in effect a NZ third team?


I like this bit the best though,



What's last year got to do with anything? He hasn't been that good this year and therefore shouldn't have gone.

What do you expect when we are so desperate that we select reserve teamers in the national side.