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| I think the VR should be allowed to judge on forward passes, with the suggested BOD to attacking side if it's not clear. We see the pictures every week on SKY and some camera angles are decieving, but there are some instances where the pass looks forward on EVERY angle they have. You can also often judge the direction the players hands move in (which is the criteria referees are told to use when judging a forward pass) from the replay. I think the blanket ban on putting forward passes to the VR is wrong and leads to some obviously wrong decisions being made.
No rule changes are required, but it would be nice if all RL commentators where obliged to go on a course and prove they know the laws before being unleashed on the general public.
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| Isn't the OP advocating American Football-type passes, ie, can launch it forward providing that the receiver is behind the thrower when it is thrown. If so, the answer is no. It's called rugby "football" league, hence the emphasis on kicking.
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| Firstly, linesmen need to grow some balls and actually flag forward passes.
Secondly, it's perfectly possible for technology to assess for forward passes. Sky's wonderful technology could easily look at the momentum of the passer and the manner of travel of the ball relative to him. It could even look at the angle of the player's hands and the angle at which the ball left the player. On the replays, place a mark on the passer, the ball and receiver and draw a little line following the progression of all three. Of course the problem lies in if the passer halts having made the pass - in which case the computer could simply map his velocity and direction immediately before stopping and predict his path had he continued, comparing this to the actual progression of the ball and judging whether it moved forward of the passing player (or his predicted path) at any point.
Do I want it? No. Though perhaps it could be used ONLY in instances where resulting tries are in question.
Will too many RL fans still not understand the forward pass rule? Yes.
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The forward pass explained (it's Union but the principal is the same) and why using pitch markings would rule out the majority of tries scored on a 'running' play.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s
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The forward pass explained (it's Union but the principal is the same) and why using pitch markings would rule out the majority of tries scored on a 'running' play.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s
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Quote tvoc="tvoc"The forward pass explained (it's Union but the principal is the same) and why using pitch markings would rule out the majority of tries scored on a 'running' play.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s'"
it also highlights why most fans massively overestimate the amount of forward passes there is in the game. It really isnt a big issue and when there are forward passes they are massively obvious because of the awkward motion of the hands.
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Quote tvoc="tvoc"The forward pass explained (it's Union but the principal is the same) and why using pitch markings would rule out the majority of tries scored on a 'running' play.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgMlDy2jP9s'"
it also highlights why most fans massively overestimate the amount of forward passes there is in the game. It really isnt a big issue and when there are forward passes they are massively obvious because of the awkward motion of the hands.
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| From what most people on here have said, the VR should look at Forward Passes but probably can only reasonably judge on the 'delibrate' rather than the 'accidental' ones with the technology available.
The American Football analogy is a good one in that, American Football was an obsure version of Rugby until it sold out to TV & changed its rules to suit allowing it to became a massive success at least in America.
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| Quote woolie="woolie"The American Football analogy is a good one in that, American Football was an obsure version of Rugby until it sold out to TV & changed its rules to suit allowing it to became a massive success at least in America.'"
I think you need to look into it's history a bit further.
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"Secondly, it's perfectly possible for technology to assess for forward passes. Sky's wonderful technology could easily look at the momentum of the passer and the manner of travel of the ball relative to him. It could even look at the angle of the player's hands and the angle at which the ball left the player. On the replays, place a mark on the passer, the ball and receiver and draw a little line following the progression of all three. Of course the problem lies in if the passer halts having made the pass - in which case the computer could simply map his velocity and direction immediately before stopping and predict his path had he continued, comparing this to the actual progression of the ball and judging whether it moved forward of the passing player (or his predicted path) at any point.
Do I want it? No. Though perhaps it could be used ONLY in instances where resulting tries are in question.
Will too many RL fans still not understand the forward pass rule? Yes.'"
Is that last line a deliberate attempt at irony, given in your suggested solution you have completely misunderstood the forward pass rule yourself?
The momentum/direction/velocity of the passer after the ball leaves his hands has sod all to do with whether a pass is forward or not.
Repeat after me - there is no momentum rule...
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| There's no practical reason why forward passes cannot be referred to video official, as already stated, if they believe the camera angle is inconclusive or misleading then they give benefit of doubt, if as is very often the case it's quite clear from the video the ball went forward (relative to the players) then they rule it out. Yes it would be better if touch judges actually intervened for forward passes more often, and that probably includes stamping out the behaviour of those referees who don't like the touch judges doing this or overrule even though the touch judge has the better view (and such referees do exist).
I think the real reason is to do with organisational politics, the widespread usage of flat passing and related attacking patterns means that forward passes are a more regular occurence these days. Note this doesn't mean I think every flat pass is forward, but that the flat pass logically increases the incidence of forward passes simply because of the technique and the timing needed. Using the available technology properly and within its capabilities would see far more of them pulled up, far more tries disallowed, far more whining from coaches, players and fans of teams (particularly those who rely on this most) and possibly may not even be welcomed by Sky if they thought that it negatively impacted the view experience of the game.
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| Why is a forward pass not offside when the player receiving the ball is in front of the player passing the ball?
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| Quote Serge A. Storms="Serge A. Storms"Why is a forward pass not offside when the player receiving the ball is in front of the player passing the ball?'"
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Quote Serge A. Storms="Serge A. Storms"Why is a forward pass not offside when the player receiving the ball is in front of the player passing the ball?'"
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