"Cleaners" wages still have to go through the books even if they're not counted on the salary cap!

Was good enough for Stobart and to create his own business worth over 30mill I'd say his track record is pretty good!

Not denying he is a very successful businessman , and anybody willing to finance a club at this level gets my ultimtimate respect , but magician he isn't

He is playing the Red Hall game , and good luck to him and you lot as well , you will get to SL and hopefully you will prosper there

I ll leave you alone now to continue to orgasm

There's playing the game and then making it look silly.

Cheers! No doubt you'll have another moan about people doing Leigh and the world wrong tommorow! May be good for Leigh to speak to SO'C and see how to do it the best way and boost your chances for 2015!

The first time SOC met Leigh, he apologised for not wearing a tie and asked for time to get his head around RL and how it ran. Everyone knew he was a succesful man he was also very humble and because of it drew a lot of respect straight away (compared to that foul mouthed lout up at Barrow).

Since then he and Leigh have had a very good relationship, and you won't find many more happy for the bloke should he take Widnes into SL.

If Saints had a bad season fans will not go to games.It can happen mate and roles can be reversed.People go to watch winning teams.

please explain why widnes should have automatic right over fev or anyone who wins the league hands down with or without the way promotion and relegation works iam not trying to be anti widnes or anything just think its not fair the way its done if it was any team promotion should be on winning the league not on merit

the widnes fans on here will agree with you , even at this late stage of the process

But it isn't us making the decision is it , all widnes and Steve o Connor is doing is playing the hand dealt them

That is all any of us can now do

Widnes will be in SL in 2012 , as they are the club with the best potential to make a success of it

Very much so, I would much prefer to see P&R, even the amount of finals we lost in.. They were always fun to go to.. Given we didn't have to play the franchising game im sure the league this year would be very different..

Also on a point Hullkrforever keeps making.. You keep mentioning fev should go up etc.. You of all people should know how the playoffs from the P&R days worked and know fev could win the league hands down, Doesn't mean they should go up.. They still have to beat fax, who imo will win.. And then beat widnes / leigh / sheffield / barrow (not likely).. All Of which were very close games and given a push could go either way..

The systems a mockery, do you not agree. Giving the green light to a club who have no need to compete within that division.

Or do you see it different because its Widnes.