The point of the post was that the criteria for obtaining a place in Superleague currently do not necessarily include winning a championship and therefore such a feat would justify nothing. Having fulfilled the current on-field criteria (i.e. NRC cup win) the Widnes club appear to have chosen to attempt to fulfill the other current criteria for SL membership in order to "justify" their place should it be awarded.

Also I believe the majority of Widnes fans problem with the last decision was that they felt (rightly or wrongly) that their club better fulfilled the criteria put forward than the ones who were awarded a franchise and was nothing to do with whether they had succeeded on the pitch or not.

There weren't? The 12 SL places didn't go to the top 10 in Division 1, plus London and Paris?

And remind me again where Widnes finished and why they didn't get into the first SL?

Clearly Talent Spotter is a troll who starts these threads to wind up Widnes folk, now if i started a regular thread about any number of clubs poor attendances surely the threads would be locked?

No, there weren't as you well know.

Any luck in getting the right date yet btw? Or does the history re-write now include putting everything back by a year?

1) Possibly. The way to deal with trolls, though, is to ignore them. However, attendances are a perfectly legitimate and regular subject of discussion on the Sin Bin (see numerous threads on Quins, Crusaders, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Salford, etc, etc [ipassim[/i.

2) No they wouldn't. See 1.

The 12 places in SL didn't go to the top 10 in Division 1, plus London and Paris then? The thing that annoys me about the rewriting of history to claim that Widnes were denied their 'rightful' place in SL at the start by a stitch up is that it totally ignores, eg, Featherstone, who finished 11th and are the club who actually would have got a place in SL if 2 hadn't been reserved for Paris and London. Not that I think they'd have been any more successful than Workington Town, mind.

Not a troll, but anytime Widnes get a good crowd/away following etc all we hear is what fantastic fans they are, so when they get a poor crowd I like to expose this myth.

Not a troll.........................and im father christmas.

I thought you said you were taking a break , he's not fallen out with you has he

Wheres the push bike I asked for when I was 10?

How typical of you to ignore the truth of the situation, as described in my earlier post. This IS the history, NOT a re-write. The 10 places were NOT a condition at the outset of that year. How can they be described as 'rightful' places? They werent decided upon by a vote of the clubs, or in fact by any fair means. If Wigan had been in 11th, do you think they would have been jettisoned? The places were decided upon on a whim, and even changed on the morning of the decision. For heaven's sake, Maurice Lindsay called our chairman to tell him we were in, then a couple of hours later did the same and said we were out! Hull and Wakey were similarly ditched but in less ridiculous fashion.

Listen to what you are being told by people who know what happened, rather than ignore the posts you dont like just in order to keep banging on with rubbish like that above. Rightful places... there WERE none.