Attendances for cup rugby these days are down across the board. Compare what SL sides get for league games to their home challenge cup games, it's always seems to be a few thousand less (even more of a drop for TV games) and that same sort of ratio was reflected at Widnes last night. I can't understand it - I love cup rugby but it seems most other fans prefer the league games these days. Could be cost I guess, me, wife + lad was £30 last night. Money well spent for me, but I can well understand other fans having different priorities, espeically with it being on TV.

Anyway, if we get to Blackpool there will be four or five thousand Widnes fans and last nights attendence will probably be forgotten.

Yes the location is successful, the whole squad is locally produced players who are already being poached by SL clubs.

I agree two Welsh clubs would be great for RL in the country. I agree not in the short term also, ive never said Scorpions should go for 2012, on other threads people have unsuccessfully tried to ridicule a 2015 bid, when this is very achievable for the Scorpions. If SL was to have two French as well as Welsh clubs, rugby league would be able to have serious international competitions eg Six Nations. International rugby is where the big money is and the easiest way to grow the sport and get new people involved in it.

.................and i'd hazard a guess that it would unlock more BskyB money. It's a long road.

Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales.

Widnes's money problems were started, in a large part, to a crooked chairman who as we understand it put us a million pounds in debt including illegally using the club to buy and trade 2million pounds worth of merchandise whilst avoiding applicable UK tax regulations. This was followed by an over-spend in an effort to achieve SL status by our previous owners. To compare the two clubs issues is, quite frankly, pathetic.

Lets just get it right , they haven produced anybody yet , what they have done is get existing RU players to play RL , VT rules dictate that only when you bring players through from age 8 can you claim them as your own , so a big well done to your local amatuer Union teams , not the Skorpions

Quote Viking Vengeance="Viking Vengeance"Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales. '" Who cares how many players theyre producing yeeaahh great come back. Attendances wasnt great but it didnt help they were getting stuffed every week. And they compare reasonably well with these. www.slstats.org/t14/Leigh+Centur ... mmary.html And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html

Quote Viking Vengeance="Viking Vengeance"Who cares how many kids theyre producing? Nobody turned out to watch Crusaders in S Wales other than the away fans who made the trip down there. The media was pretty indifferent towards them and they couldnt find the commercial sponsorship and facilities they needed. Just a few of the many reason why, they FAILED in S Wales. '" Who cares how many players theyre producing yeeaahh great come back. Attendances wasnt great but it didnt help they were getting stuffed every week. And they compare reasonably well with these. www.slstats.org/t14/Leigh+Centur ... mmary.html And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html

Nice try but thats simply not true. There are loads of clubs and rugby league players throughout south Wales. They are not all simply union converts. Even with the ones that are union converts, so what? They are now successful rugby league players so whats your problem with that?

I dont make the rules , but that is how it is

Quote And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html'" And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.

Quote And to those who are claiming it will fail in north Wales www.slstats.org/t45/Crusaders+Ru ... mmary.html'" And tell us how many of the crowd against Leeds, Hull and Wigan were home supporters. Go on, tell us.... i cant wait.

Vast majority were home fans. Are you seriously suggesting leeds took 10000 away supporters???? About 1500 of that crowd were away fans.

Why are you bothering ?