Apologies if I've missed it, but where are the ratings for the Hull derby?

Thats the point I've just made. It didn't even rate in the top 10 and they only release the top ten for each channel.

Not necessarily..........I had work committments which prevented me from watching the Hull derby, whereas I was at home for the Saints game.

Because it's not just about the GP........... Sky also show lots of other RU, and I suspect that it's all part of the "deal".

Because, as Saddened pointed out, you've got to take into account the social aspect. RL is viewed as a minority sport anywhere south of the M62 thanks (in part) to the fact that the people in charge of things (media etc) usually are southern, and have usually gone to public school (see bottom of my sig) where RL isn't exactly high profile.

For example take the Wigan v Leeds game a few weeks ago. It was the biggest sporting event in the country that night and there was no mention of it on the BBC news at 10, or even on that sportsday programme on the BBC News Channel despite finding time for a piece on disabled curling.

We usually don't help ourselves, but this is the kind of thing we're up against.

different time slots?

sky charges more for ads during RL than union.

sky makes more money for ads during RL games than union games

sky pays union more than league

thats not sustainable.

ill repeat sky charges more for ads during RL than union..

MORE

And then pays RL less, so are you agreeing with me or not?

as ive said, the situation isnt sustainable.

which sport has a more solid basis?

RL, union has no viewers.

itll work itself out in terms of tv dollars eventually thats my point.

RL is viewed as a minority sport because lots of people don't have Sky Sports cos it's so expensive and the RFL effectively sold ALL RL to Murdoch.

If more than just the odd CC match was shown on terrestrial TV RL's profile would rise. A little less b1tch1ng about non-"heartland" non-"traditional" clubs who have the temerity to try and join in would help RL's image a bit too.

So there are some public schoolboys in the GP! You make it a class war and you'll never make headway down south. Leave ENGLISH union to the metrosexuals by all means, but don't criticise them for it. Instead of whining what the media and the south doesn't give you, meet them halfway. Be less parochial and less judgemental and get some RL on terrestrial TV because until we had Celtic Crusaders in S Wales, I'd pretty much forgotten there WAS another code of rugby than RU.

I agree, and you wont find a bigger supporter of non-heartland clubs than me, but it's incredibly difficult to expand the game when RL is constantly under-reported in the media, and it wasn't RL that made it a class war.