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Leeds complaining about the very tactics they have used for the past 3 years.

At the end of the day, they were a "lucky" offside decision by the VR in the Grand Final - and they were "lucky" with an offside decision by the VR in the WCC, so I have no sympathy for them (Senior in particular).

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Quote: Andy Gilder "Is it only me that is curious why Richard Silverwood decided he needed to sit through a lecture from Craig Bellamy on how to referee against Leeds?'"


No there is the rest of the biased Leeds fans as well icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: mopseyslovechild "No there is the rest of the biased Leeds fans as well
Interesting leap of faith you've made there, without making any attempt to answer the question.

Thank you for your invaluable contribution to the discussion.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "So why aren't three or four tackles in every set called as surrenders in SL games every week in that case, given ball carriers are coached to find their knees and elbows and generate a quick play the ball?

[sizeIs it only me that is curious why Richard Silverwood decided he needed to sit through a lecture from Craig Bellamy on how to referee against Leeds?[/size'"


This is unprofessional and unacceptable. The fact Cummins has allowed this alone casts serious doubts on whether he is capable of managing our referees.

No team should be allowed to put together an edited set of highlights pointing out what they want the referee to look for in a game, purely for the reason that if Silverwood is told to look out for something specific he will find it, its human nature.

There should be official procedure for any teams to bring any concerns they have to Cummins (not the individual referee) and then it is Cummins decision of whether he takes that particular issue to ALL his referees and makes sure he doesnt single out any particular team.

What Bellamy did, unarguably influenced a referees performance in a showpiece game. If this isnt addressed I hope Mclennan takes the opportunity to go through the penalties he wants the refs to find in our opposition before every game going forward. And hopefully the new England coach will be having the same meetings with Hayne, Klien etc before the international games

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Quote: Robbo4 "I disagree, I could maybe agree if he was calling "dominant" but IMO most of the time the Leeds players were not surrendering in the tackle.'"

I think you may be mixing up the ruling a bit.
Leeds were going to ground with barely a hand laid on to gain a quick ptb, this is a classic 'surrender' tackle and is NOT negated by the ball carrier wriggling about when the defenders, as they allowed to do under the rules, are allowed to hold on a for a bit. The rule is specifically designed to discourage players from diving for the ground and gaining a quick ptb.

Where I think that where Silverwood went wrong was not that he called them 'surrender' tackles, but that the time he allowed in these 'surrender'/'dominant' tackles, was way out of kilter with what he, or any other ref, allows in SL games.

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Quote: Bulliac "I think you may be mixing up the ruling a bit.
Leeds were going to ground with barely a hand laid on to gain a quick ptb, this is a classic 'surrender' tackle and is NOT negated by the ball carrier wriggling about when the defenders, as they allowed to do under the rules, are allowed to hold on a for a bit. The rule is specifically designed to discourage players from diving for the ground and gaining a quick ptb.

Where I think that where Silverwood went wrong was not that he called them 'surrender' tackles, but that the time he allowed in these 'surrender'/'dominant' tackles, was way out of kilter with what he, or any other ref, allows in SL games.'"

Again I disagree. Some were surrender tackles but plenty of them were not.

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