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Quote: Saddened! "It's nothing to do with who they play for though. More to do with the quality of their performances.

How long do you think Burrow and McGuire will hold down their Leeds shirts? I'm amazed there hasn't been an academy product who has replaced them yet.'"


And I'm amazed Saints haven't yet found an academy product (or existing player) capable of out-playing them as a pairing in a Grand Final, but there you go...

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Quote: Dico "In three years time Tomkins will be better than Fien could hope to be. Definition of average.
Perrett, Harrison, Lima et al...Definition of average, Perrett has no more ability than someone like Gareth Raynor but playing in a better comp (to be fair, the Kiwis have a few missing in the pack).
I was more comparing ability than necessarily L4L, peacock was picked in the second row so I compared him to a similar forward in the Kiwi team. Would Leeds swap Peacock for Pritchard? Again No.

Like I said originally the Kiwis are well coached, conditioned and they look like they're formed from a better comp but they certainly aren't a distance ahead like some would have you believe. If you took the best 30 players of Eng and the 30 best Kiwis, England would win hands down. Hell, Louis Anderson was in the original cut...'"


ive said similar on other threads.....the NZ team are not superhuman, they have Thomas Leuleuia playing for them. Would Leuleuia get in the Engalnd team? probably not IMO.

We need to get over this attitude that we have zero chance when playing NZ and AUs....its 17 men against 17 men and what they do over the course of 80 minutes. We are not that far behind, in everything except attitude IMO. Our team go onto the pitch thinking they are beaten most of the time.

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Quote: Dico "In three years time Tomkins will be better than Fien could hope to be. Definition of average.
Perrett, Harrison, Lima et al...Definition of average, Perrett has no more ability than someone like Gareth Raynor but playing in a better comp (to be fair, the Kiwis have a few missing in the pack).
I was more comparing ability than necessarily L4L, peacock was picked in the second row so I compared him to a similar forward in the Kiwi team. Would Leeds swap Peacock for Pritchard? Again No.

Like I said originally the Kiwis are well coached, conditioned and they look like they're formed from a better comp but they certainly aren't a distance ahead like some would have you believe. If you took the best 30 players of Eng and the 30 best Kiwis, England would win hands down. Hell, Louis Anderson was in the original cut...'"


In three years time and best 30 against best 30 - we are talking now and 17 against 17 - Perrett has significantly more ability than either Hall or Fox never mind Raynor, he is a better player than Morris too.

To hold down a place in a better comp by definition suggests some ability do you think the NRL would be selecting Raynor, Hall or Fox - no I didn't think so.

Distance ahead - time will tell the best thing that could happen to England is for the Kiwis to get a big lead and relax we might then make it respectable.

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Quote: saints35 bulls0 "ive said similar on other threads.....the NZ team are not superhuman, they have Thomas Leuleuia playing for them. Would Leuleuia get in the Engalnd team? probably not IMO.

We need to get over this attitude that we have zero chance when playing NZ and AUs....its 17 men against 17 men and what they do over the course of 80 minutes. We are not that far behind, in everything except attitude IMO. Our team go onto the pitch thinking they are beaten most of the time.'"


I actually think we have a really great chance but we have to get off to a good start and smash their forwards because playing on the front foot Eastwood and Tomkins will tear the Kiwi's apart icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: Serge A. Storms "In three years time and best 30 against best 30 - we are talking now and 17 against 17 - Perrett has significantly more ability than either Hall or Fox never mind Raynor, he is a better player than Morris too.

To hold down a place in a better comp by definition suggests some ability do you think the NRL would be selecting Raynor, Hall or Fox - no I didn't think so.

Distance ahead - time will tell the best thing that could happen to England is for the Kiwis to get a big lead and relax we might then make it respectable.'"


I mentioned 3 years time simply for Tomkins.
I said we had more depth, you disagreed with my initial point which is why I brought the 30 up.
As for the bit in bold; Ryan Tandy anyone?
They're well coached, a couple of world class players but ultimately not that much better than us, both of us are miles behind aus.
We'll see tomorrow anyway, if we get tatered, i'll be happy to concede

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