Took my mate to his first game tonight. Thanks to the show put on by both sides, shouldn't have too many problems getting him back for more. What a match - I also fear and England hammering from both sides...

I have noticed that the 'England's pack' as superstars mythology has quietened down a bit.....

Realistically if Oz/NZ play well England have next to no chance. The only chance they have is if either of those sides play well below par. Whilst on paper that draw may look a 'good' result for England, I think you'll find it means that neither Oz or NZ will take their foot off the gas against England, as they'll have to beat them to ensure they get to the final.

Probably the best England can hope for is to absolutely play out of their skins and give both Aus and NZ a game, and for some of the young English players to come of age and realise how high the standards are that they need to achieve to really compete.

To be fair there's quite a few English fans who don't feel our pack are superstars either, rather that on the balance of things they're certainly a lot stronger than our backs - hence the reason that people want to put hope in the forwards rather than elsewhere.

I agree with what you say, the draw result was probably the worst thing that could have happened for England as both Aus and NZ will be going for the win even more now.

No,there not ,they're just ageing.Which is a major problem for the aussies.

I'll tell you if England's pack gets over the top of them. I'll have to come with a new descriptor

The fearsome Aussie packs of the past must shake their heads at the powder puffs like Watmough and Gallen.