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Quote: Wellsy13 "
Basically, if two people were throwin two different weighted balls in the same direction at the same velocity they would flow on different paths due to the momentum being different, so your point about the masses of the players themselves would be irrelevant I think (I may need to look that up, but I think it's right).'"


Not quite - even though the heavier ball would require more force to get it to the same velocity, it would still follow the same path as the lighter ball. Mass would have no effect on speed, direction, or the path of the ball under any non-relativistic circumstances, regardless of how fast the inertial frame of reference (the passer) was moving - mass would only effect the required force to get it [ito[/i that speed and in that direction.

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I just pointed out that your refutation was only valid in the case of no air resistance. Your references to the force required was purely i the context of getting the ball up to that velocity as you passed it, not what happened
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Not true, I actually changed my wording so that that would not be the case - "mass would only effect the required force to get it to that speed and in that direction".

Just because I didn't make clear what was applying the force doesn't change the fact I didn't exclude air resistance.

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Can you work out the path of the ball then (other forces acting on it like air resistance and gravity) using trigonometry then?

i.e. If a static player passes a ball backwards at a 45degree angle at 10m/s, then using trigonometry it's velocity in a directly backwards direction is 7m/s.

If then a second player makes the exact same pass but is running forwards at 10m/s, then it would travel forward at 3m/s? (10m/s forwards - 7m/s backwards = 3m/s forwards).

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Quote: Wellsy13 "Can you work out the path of the ball then (other forces acting on it like air resistance and gravity) using trigonometry then'"


Using Newtonian physics you can, yes.

To your example, then yes, the ball would travel forward at approximately 3m/s. At such slow speeds air resistance wouldn't have too much of an effect anyway.

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