Are you having a laugh? Not even playing loose forward for his club. Should not make the mistake of playing people out of position.

I wish people would stop saying it is a ‘fact’ that Sinfied is better than O’Loughlin or vice versa... they offer their teams differing but valuable elements to their game. Sinfield is the hub of the team, he bosses them around the park and he has all the skills. O’Loughlin on the other hand is more of a workrate forward but he can also step up and throw a try scoring cut out pass or set up a try with a quality short kick. He is also more hurtful and consistent in defence

If I was pressed on who was the better player I would say that Sinfield has been the better at Super league level as he has been so consistent in some very good Leeds teams. But internationally, I would go for O’Loughlin over Sinfield as I think his game is more suited to the tighter and more physical matches

Baileys got more than Ginger whinger, Morley,Carvell put together! Glad I know which prop should be picked for England this year

Ok lets pick the team of English players who are most decorated and see how we go....

That would put Wellens back in the team. Fielden in the team, do you want that? Get Senior back in there.... Sean Long can play his last games for England.

Around this time every year, we get a clamour for Sinfield to be picked for the international team, every time he is picked the results are disastorous as was his performance in the exiles game. Some good club players just can't cut it at the next level, and as Kevin has been around the England team since the 2000 World Cup without making his mark, perhaps it's time to close the book on this one. Great player for Leeds, though.

O'Loughlin has proven he can step up, hence his award of man of the series (the only British player currently playing to win such an award) against the Kiwis a few years ago.

Apart from Burrow who was man of the series, Kevin Sinfield who was nominated for a golden boot 2 years ago?

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"Apart from Burrow who was man of the series'" You've got me there, but O'Loughlin was rather impressive in that series www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/no ... ague.sport

Quote Charlie Sheen="Charlie Sheen"Apart from Burrow who was man of the series'" You've got me there, but O'Loughlin was rather impressive in that series www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2007/no ... ague.sport

Leeds fans opinions on players because they have won medals (in a team competition) are so annoying it is beyond unreal. 5 grand final rings mean everyone of them players are quality and not one is average.

The fact is in a Salary cap enviroment. Everyteam as there average players and the Leeds team is filled with Kirke, Ablett and Bailey.

Can you point me at the thread where the Leeds fans, or anyone else for that matter, are suggesting that Kirke, Ablett and Bailey be selected for England?

5 Grand Final wins with average players in their ranks therefore suggests logically that they must have some very very good players in there somewhere