If it's a turn of phrase it's one he needs to stop using as it makes him look like he's not in control. If he isn't baffled then we'd surely start to address some of the areas where we struggle yet I've seen little sign of that.

How long do we wait? Until we're a top 4 side again? I think we're four or five players away from that at the moment. It depends on the plan the club has for turning things around.

Do we accept we're never going to be the same force again? No! Absolutely not. The club must aim to set high standards above everyone else. Being happy with simply competing is a losers mentality, there has to be a long term aim to be a championship winning team.

Will we manage it? Who knows? There have been three successful periods in the past 102 years. I hope we don't have to wait another thirty years for the next one.

Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not to the extent you are currently appearing.

Indeed. If anything it's more serious than that. Super League, recent success and the Odsal situation have all raised the stakes alarmingly (or exhilaratingly, if you like to live on the edge ). If we don't achieve some sort of success, we don't get our crowds back. That may cripple us in itself, but it makes us less likely to retain Superleague status. Without Superleague status - but with the Odsal burden - we don't exist!

Even if the OSV comes through, I can't help but think that it only makes it a greater pressure (with the addition of a moral imperative) for us to get back to being at least among the best.

To be fair, I don't think there's any way of knowing that for sure.

Maybe we wouldn't have won a game with someone else?
Then again, maybe we'd be top!?

I'd go with that. The problem of course is when suitable players are going to become available and what prospects do we have in the academy.



That's certainly my feeling too, lets hope the club reaffirm this at the forum



Lets hope so.
I just hope we start to see the slide turn into a climb again soon

Lets be fair mate, when you are sat in 13th place, the only way to go is up!

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Exactly! In the words of The Johnson " You show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser."

But like wise you treat it as a no brainer that we will get better under McNamara. Even though the form of the last 12 months suggests this isn't going to happen. So this leaves us then in the stupid situation then even though he's failing we can't replace him because his replacement might do no better it's a strange logic.

So you thought we would be in this mess at the end of the 2007 season when we finished 3rd. It's just seems to be a convenient excuse now things have gone wrong.

If I'm completely honest, no, probably not.
Hopfully we've hit the bottom and are now going to rise again.

The NRL has shown us you can finish bottom and go on to win the comp in a short turnaround

I don't know what the problem if on the field this season.
We could have easily won more games than we had. Even 5 of those (e.g. Wakefield, Cas, Hudds, Celtic and Salford), would have seen us on 19 points, in 4th, with a game in hand and the season suddenly has a different outlook.

I also don't know whether there's an issue behind closed doors. I certainly haven't any sort of whisper whatsoever to suggest he's lost the dressing room/

I still say we'll make the 8

If we're going to talk about B Mc's record then we have to. And I realise each has different issues and you might typically expect higher league finishes from Bradford. But then until this year, SM has provided that and yet may this season again. I doubt you would get long odds on us overtaking Quins by the end of the year, and as WB has pointed out, the sheer volume of one-score-or-less defeats is what separates us from a handy top four spot and a place in the quarter-final draw.

I'm not slagging off BM. But if he and his results were magically transported to Odsal retrospectively, there's plenty on here that would be.