FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!
  
FORUMS > Bradford Bulls > Bigger, fatter - the Big Fat Mac Thread mk. II
122 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
973_1515165968.gif
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif



Quote: Duckman "Being of the generally positive pursuation, I've been backing McNamara and espeically the long term plan to bring through another generation of young stars, as i dont really see the point of sacking him in the final year of his contract for little guarenteed improvement.'"

Seems reasonable. though you do have to contend with people who want to knwo why the generation fo young stars haven't won the Cup, WCC and SL Trophy in these first 3 weeks.

Quote: Duckman "So I agree with most of your sentiments af. However, where I have a problem is why does all the long term solutions need to be so tightly pinned to Mcnamara? '"

They don't, necessarily; it's a given that 99% of all coaches in all sports move on, most sooner rather than later, it's just that on all reports, it is McNamara that has been the persuasive factor in our signings of the Burgesses etc.

Quote: Duckman "But generally I wouldnt advocate sacking McNamara this year unless an absolute collapse of form and lack of wins occurs, which you cant forecast from a disjointed start to the year IMHO (we look rusty from not playing decent opposition in pre season if you ask me, some of the attacking failings in the first two games are what i would expect in preseason) where with a bit more luck and intellegent rugby we'd have won at least one out of two against two well organised and determined teams.'"

If it had not been for Jeffries' brainfart we had already got the 2 points vs HKR. They also beat Saints away, and should by all accounts have beaten Leeds, so at this stage of the season aren't playing like whipping boys, much though it suits the case of the NT to make facile generalisations like "we 'should' be beating 'teams like these' ".

If Tadulala had not lost hold of the ball in the act of scoring we would almost certainly not have lost to Huddersfield either, however disjointed much of our attacking was. A battle-hardened Hudds. were fresh off the back of a fine victory at Catalans, who were a better team than us last season, so it came as no surprise to find them as competitive as they were.

If we won our game in hand today then we would be up to joint 4th, that's how bad it is. We've already seen enough to know that our pack can more than mix it with the best, and the defence is very good if not yet perfect, so we aren't that far off at all.

Quote: Duckman "It all feels a bit cr@p at the mo, but I agree that its not as bad as some make out.....yet (ask me again after we play Nobles mob)'"

No Burgess, no Langley, no Solomona, no Deacon . . . sounds tailor-made for a famous victory to me.

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4035
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jan 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
30148_1289234681.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_30148.jpg



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "

They don't, necessarily; it's a given that 99% of all coaches in all sports move on, most sooner rather than later, it's just that on all reports, it is McNamara that has been the persuasive factor in our signings of the Burgesses etc. .'"


This is my point, coaches move on, the club carrys on, if its McNamara or no long term then we have bigger problems as a club than just McNamara. but as it is McNamara who has instigated this turn around in youth policy then I see no reason (barring my previous caveats) why he cant at least be given this season, up to the end of his contract.

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
If it had not been for Jeffries' brainfart we had already got the 2 points vs HKR. They also beat Saints away, and should by all accounts have beaten Leeds, so at this stage of the season aren't playing like whipping boys, much though it suits the case of the NT to make facile generalisations like "we 'should' be beating 'teams like these' ".

If Tadulala had not lost hold of the ball in the act of scoring we would almost certainly not have lost to Huddersfield either, however disjointed much of our attacking was. A battle-hardened Hudds. were fresh off the back of a fine victory at Catalans, who were a better team than us last season, so it came as no surprise to find them as competitive as they were.

If we won our game in hand today then we would be up to joint 4th, that's how bad it is. We've already seen enough to know that our pack can more than mix it with the best, and the defence is very good if not yet perfect, so we aren't that far off at all.'"


I agree, with all the possesion we had, a lucky/scrappy try early on against Hudds or Hull KR could have seen a confidence start to flow in our attack that is certainly absent at the moment. Huddersfield and Hull KR are both playing well at the moment, whereas we were playing like we were in preseason, (partly the coachs fault, but not entirely) And I think we are guilty as Bradford fans of not giving enough regonition to the two teams we have played, they both played well and took their "limited" chances well. (one of HKR's trys was from a quick tap after a restart on the 20, not that they systematically took us apart)

Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "
No Burgess, no Langley, no Solomona, no Deacon . . . sounds tailor-made for a famous victory to me.'"


We might do it, and surely thats the point of it all?? as long as some improvement is shown and its a good game I wont be slitting my wrists even if we lose again, which is quite possible away at Wigan....but far from certain IMO, playing two weeks on the spin will help for a start.

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman14145No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Aug 2020Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
45_1302643626.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_45.jpg



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "No Burgess, no Langley, no Solomona, no Deacon . . . sounds tailor-made for a famous victory to me.'"


No Lynch...maybe no Godwin...sure in the wars right now. We can't use the injuries as any excuse though given how the likes of Wakefield have performed in adversity.

"My centre is giving way, my right is retreating; situation excellent. I shall
attack!"

Maybe this time out we will.

Deja vu...wonder who'll fill the JP role for us this time round?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman28357
JoinedServiceReputation
Feb 200223 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2024Oct 2019LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
973_1515165968.gif
Last edited by Ferocious Aardvark on stardate Jun 26, 3013 11:27 am, edited 48,562,867,458,300,023 times in total:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_973.gif



Quote: Duckman "..
We might do it, and surely thats the point of it all?? '"

icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif icon_biggrin.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach12310
JoinedServiceReputation
Oct 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2023Feb 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
28396_1358365565.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_28396.jpg



Quote: af "Hello darkness my old friend...'"
icon_lol.gif

RankPostsTeam
Player Coach4035
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200618 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Sep 2024Jan 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
30148_1289234681.jpg
:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_30148.jpg



Quote: redeverready "IMO that's what every one is hoping and the main grumble about the Huddersfield game as their wasn't any improvement from the Hull KR game.'"


Fair point, I was grumbling as much as anybody on the way out, talking about "dumb" rugby with a lack of creativity.

But it is early in the season, we have not had any consistancy even this early, both in our scheduling and in the injuries we've picked up and we could still have had results against two decent teams on form even with us playing that badly. So I stand by my notion that its not as desperate yet as some people think IMHO (other people obviously differ in expectation I guess)

I just think we need to stick to saving severe critisim for after a decent run of games and then see where we are, after say, I dunno, 10 games??? sure I heard that somewhere icon_wink.gif

af
RankPostsTeam
International Chairman10445No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2022Aug 2013LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
731.jpg
Bradford gave us Hockney, Leeds gave us Moyles.:731.jpg



Quote: Duckman "Could the "club, Hood et al" rather than just the coach not be the driving force to reinvent itself? Such that if we replace the head coach for whatever reason with a suitably qualifed and respected replacement (insert name here) that the new regime can continue any good work whilst attempting to rectify any percieved failings on the pitch. So the kids and stars like Burgess stay and the community programs and Cumbria scouting continue, irrespective of the head coach as the "Bradford Club" has good long term plans not just the coach.

I'd hate to think our entire long term future if dependant upon McNamara alone, if he ends up being very successful (stay with me ME and others "Hood et al" doesn't add up to much - Hood says he never wanted the job on a permanent basis and our board of directors is pretty sply populated. That's not to decry the job they've been doing - people like to take the p.ss out of Odsal pipedreams but regardless of whether this comes off or not the club seem to have worked their ar5e off to make it a possibility by building a grand coalition of partners. But I think it's a lot to expect that they be intimately involved with the playing side of things.

When it comes to onfield matters, things have been largely left to SM AFAIK. I think the strategy is a good one that has worked in other sports - Wenger, Moyes, Ferguson, O Neill all seem to be in charge of all aspects football-related. Now you're right to raise the question as to what happens if he clears off. For many of the young players he has brought through, the club's unique selling point - Steve McNamara - would have gone and so they would be open to offers from elsewhere. However, better to have one inpermanent USP than none at all.

If SM leaves or gets hit by a bus then the club will have to cope as best they can. But let's hope that he isn't, and let's not shove him off the pavement ourselves, metaphorically or physically.

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach8877No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2023Feb 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Others/combustable.gif
Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012. By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013 Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know: Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif



Quote: af "Hello darkness my old friend...'"


Oh dear, I may as well indulge you.

Why does every argument you have, have to be a case of "who/what is better than what we have"?

Wigan have made a couple of GF eliminators, Hull KR are showing improvement as are Catalans, Huddersfield, Wakefield (under Kear) and to a lesser extent, Castleford. Hull FC and Wire have disappointed obviously.

The fact remains though that clubs like KR, Wakey, Cas and the Cats are at least showing signs of improvement and a genuine hope. (In fact, it may have escaped your notice but the Catalans lost their manager to a superior side, hence was his achievements at the club.)

We are showing no improvement, a fact that you clearly refuse to accept despite plenty of opinion (evidence?) to the contrary?

However, as you wish to dwell on your on points, hows' about you answer the points I put to you about McNamara's signings?

RankPostsTeam
International Chairman7594
JoinedServiceReputation
Dec 200123 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
May 2021May 2021LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
8_1434361123.jpg
When my club didn't exist it was still bigger than yours:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_8.jpg



Quote: mystic eddie "Why does every argument you have, have to be a case of "who/what is better than what we have"?'"


Did you just ask why every argument has to follow a standard script?

RankPostsTeam
Club Coach8877No
Team
Selected
JoinedServiceReputation
Mar 200520 years
OnlineLast PostLast Page
Feb 2023Feb 2023LINK
Milestone Posts
0
100
Milestone Years
0510 1520 2530
Location
Signature
Others/combustable.gif
Red Amber and Black Fantasy Rugby League Champion 2012. By far the most sensible posts on this thread have come from mystic eddie. - copyright Ewwenorfolk 09.04.2013 Aye, and Eddie is hinting at it too. And, as we all know: Mystic Eddie has been right all along! - copyright vbfg 05.01.2017:Others/combustable.gif



Quote: vbfg "Did you just ask why every argument has to follow a standard script?'"


I am asking why it is that af needs a solution to every problem before people are allowed to debate said problem.

122 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin
122 posts in 9 pages 
<<   PREV  NEXT   >>
Subscribe | Moderators: Admin



All views expressed are those of the author and not necessarily those of the RLFANS.COM or its subsites.

Whilst every effort is made to ensure that news stories, articles and images are correct, we cannot be held responsible for errors. However, if you feel any material on this website is copyrighted or incorrect in any way please contact us using the link at the top of the page so we can remove it or negotiate copyright permission.

RLFANS.COM, the owners of this website, is not responsible for the content of its sub-sites or posts, please email the author of this sub-site or post if you feel you find an article offensive or of a choice nature that you disagree with.

Copyright 1999 - 2024 RLFANS.COM

You must be 18+ to gamble, for more information and for help with gambling issues see https://www.begambleaware.org/.



Please Support RLFANS.COM


4.857421875:5
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Bully_Boxer
15
16m
TV Games - Not Hull
Jake the Peg
2734
Recent
Wolves again
Deadcowboys1
2
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4s
Round 27 HKR Away
Seth
7
5s
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28747
9s
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
101
11s
TV games not Wire
Big lads mat
3524
11s
Shopping list for 2025
ComeOnYouUll
5106
17s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40089
17s
Recruitment rumours and links
Or thane
3071
18s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
RockNRolla
3130
24s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
NickyKiss
2871
24s
Round 26 Wigan Away
tad rhino
145
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
FOREVERTRIN
6
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Deadcowboys1
2
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
Seth
7
TODAY
Squad for London
karetaker
30
TODAY
Hull FC preview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Halifax A
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
East stand
PopTart
12
TODAY
Locations of League
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
Matt Parcell to leave at seasons end
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Huddersfiels to get new stadium
RobRiches
2
TODAY
IMG
Crosswire
4
TODAY
Leaving players
Murphy
1
TODAY
bulls on Sunday
faxcar
14
TODAY
Concerts at Stadiums
Fantastic Mr
11
TODAY
Finn out Murrell in
faxcar
11
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
MattyB
3
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Bully_Boxer
15
TODAY
Shareholders Meeting
Scarlet Pimp
36
TODAY
James Clark
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
Jake the Peg
46
TODAY
Realistic targets for 2025
the cal trai
31
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 27
ducknumber1
33
TODAY
Club Statement
UllFC
49
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
152
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
817
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
594
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
620
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
744
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1056
Salford Close In On The Play O..
994
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1111
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1077
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1109
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1487
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1439
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1565
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1499
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1685
POSTSONLINEREGISTRATIONSRECORD
19.63M +13,293 80,12114,103
LOGIN HERE
or REGISTER for more features!.

When you register you get access to the live match scores, live match chat and you can post in the discussions on the forums.
RLFANS Match Centre
 TODAY
     National Rugby League 2024-R29
10:50
Cronulla
v
NQL Cowboys
       Championship 2024-R27
19:30
Sheffield
v
York
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
20:00
Hull KR
v
Leeds
20:00
Leigh
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
LondonB
 TOMORROW
     National Rugby League 2024-R29
10:50
Sydney
v
Manly
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R27
15:00
Hull FC
v
Catalans
       Championship 2024-R27
18:00
Featherstone
v
Dewsbury
18:00
Widnes
v
Toulouse
19:30
Wakefield
v
Barrow
 Sun 22nd Sep
       Championship 2024-R27
15:00
Batley
v
Swinton
15:00
Halifax
v
Bradford
15:00
Swinton
v
Doncaster
       League One 2024-R24
15:00
Hunslet
v
Midlands
15:00
Keighley
v
Rochdale
 Sat 28th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
17:00
Toulouse
v
Batley
 Sun 29th Sep
       Championship 2024-R28
15:00
Barrow
v
Widnes
15:00
Bradford
v
Swinton
15:00
Dewsbury
v
Sheffield
15:00
Wakefield
v
Doncaster
ALL SCORES PROVIDED BY RLFANS.COM (SETTINGS)
Matches on TV
Fri 20th Sep
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Leeds
SL
20:00
Leigh-St.Helens
SL
20:00
Warrington-LondonB
Sat 21st Sep
SL
15:00
Hull FC-Catalans
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Thu 19th Sep
SL 27 Huddersfield34-10Castleford
SL 27 Wigan64-0Salford
Sun 15th Sep
WSL2024 14 FeatherstoneW6-32York V
WSL2024 14 Hudds W36-0Wire W
CH 26 Barrow34-14Whitehaven
CH 26 Bradford16-14Batley
CH 26 Dewsbury16-28Swinton
CH 26 Doncaster30-14Widnes
CH 26 Featherstone6-20Sheffield
CH 26 Wakefield20-4York
NRL 28 Canterbury22-24Manly
L1 23 Midlands24-22Workington
L1 23 Rochdale30-18Hunslet
Sat 14th Sep
SL 26 Hull FC4-58Salford
SL 26 Catalans12-8LondonB
SL 26 Huddersfield0-66Warrington
CH 26 Toulouse38-18Halifax
NRL 28 Melbourne37-10Cronulla
NRL 28 NQL Cowboys28-16Newcastle
Fri 13th Sep
SL 26 Leigh0-24Hull KR
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 27 721 336 385 44
Hull KR 26 693 311 382 40
Warrington 26 684 319 365 38
Salford 27 550 547 3 32
St.Helens 26 584 370 214 30
Leigh 26 548 386 162 29
 
Leeds 26 514 462 52 28
Catalans 26 451 423 28 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
LondonB 26 317 862 -545 6
Hull FC 26 324 870 -546 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 24 892 256 636 46
Bradford 24 618 373 245 32
Toulouse 23 662 340 322 31
Sheffield 24 594 472 122 28
Widnes 24 513 433 80 27
York 25 613 439 174 26
 
Featherstone 24 566 472 94 26
Doncaster 24 470 527 -57 23
Batley 24 378 513 -135 20
Halifax 24 475 617 -142 20
Barrow 23 418 648 -230 19
Swinton 24 446 606 -160 18
Whitehaven 24 414 806 -392 16
Dewsbury 25 308 821 -513 2
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
0m
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Bully_Boxer
15
16m
TV Games - Not Hull
Jake the Peg
2734
Recent
Wolves again
Deadcowboys1
2
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
4s
Round 27 HKR Away
Seth
7
5s
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28747
9s
Planning for next season
Jack Gaskell
101
11s
TV games not Wire
Big lads mat
3524
11s
Shopping list for 2025
ComeOnYouUll
5106
17s
Game - Song Titles
Boss Hog
40089
17s
Recruitment rumours and links
Or thane
3071
18s
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
RockNRolla
3130
24s
Wigan v Sts discussion - THIS THREAD ONLY PLEASE
NickyKiss
2871
24s
Round 26 Wigan Away
tad rhino
145
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trophy By Thrashing Salford
RLFANS News
1
TODAY
Barrow
FOREVERTRIN
6
TODAY
Holly Spurr Interview
JamieRobinso
1
TODAY
Wolves again
Deadcowboys1
2
TODAY
Academy Players Promoted to First Team Squad
Simba16
2
TODAY
Squads - Leopards v Saints
Deeeekos
2
TODAY
Round 27 HKR Away
Seth
7
TODAY
Squad for London
karetaker
30
TODAY
Hull FC preview
Jimmythecuck
1
TODAY
Halifax A
Wigan Bull
4
TODAY
East stand
PopTart
12
TODAY
Locations of League
Wollo-Wollo-
1
TODAY
Matt Parcell to leave at seasons end
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Huddersfiels to get new stadium
RobRiches
2
TODAY
IMG
Crosswire
4
TODAY
Leaving players
Murphy
1
TODAY
bulls on Sunday
faxcar
14
TODAY
Concerts at Stadiums
Fantastic Mr
11
TODAY
Finn out Murrell in
faxcar
11
TODAY
Playoff Semi Final
MattyB
3
TODAY
Bulls Accounts up to Nov 2023
Bully_Boxer
15
TODAY
Shareholders Meeting
Scarlet Pimp
36
TODAY
James Clark
Jake the Peg
6
TODAY
Le Cats at home - Los Alomos Custers Last Stand
Jake the Peg
46
TODAY
Realistic targets for 2025
the cal trai
31
TODAY
2024 Southstandercom Prediction Competition Week 27
ducknumber1
33
TODAY
Club Statement
UllFC
49
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Wigan Seal League Leaders Trop..
152
Wakefield Trinity Sweep Aside ..
817
Catalans Keep Season Alive Wit..
594
Salford Ensure Play-Offs And S..
620
Ruthless Wigan Thrash the Rhin..
744
Huddersfield Giants Hold Off L..
1056
Salford Close In On The Play O..
994
Leigh Leopards Up To Fourth Af..
1111
Leeds Rhinos Into the Six Afte..
1077
Wigan Warriors Defeat Hull KR ..
1109
Wane Names Provisional Squad f..
1487
Leeds Rhinos Ride Their Luck F..
1439
Wigan Warriors Level Top As Ca..
1565
Castleford Tigers Inflict Anot..
1499
Leigh Into the Six After Beati..
1685


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!