Newco Bulls fan, no need to swear and please do not refer to Rangers as Rangers as they are no more. The Rangers or Newco Gers will do.

The old club is gone. You are currently a team with zero wins ever and as things stand bottom of the league. You can not want to start on the bottom league and say we're keeping our old history. No chance. You ever keep your history or your a new club. It is simple.

Let's get annoyed at other fans coming on here and talking about your failings. Let's just pretend it never happened if you like. Give you back your 12 points and restart the season too. If you like...

hold up captain contradiction..

in your book were a newco, with no wins with no connection to the clubs history so can have nothing of the old co's, except the 12 point deduction they earnt?

You said we can't have it both ways?!?!

I don't make the rules. If I was a buyer of the Newco I would have demanded bottom league and start again. Nothing else.

Why did anyone accept -12 is unreal and crazy. Even if it meant starting again next year in the bottom league. By accepting -12 you are saying yes we're a Newco, no history and almost down straight away. Pointless year for the Newco if you ask me.

Newco doesn't make the rules either.

If they'd said no to the RFL would they have caved in? Probably not. So start in 2018 then? Can't see the RFL doing deal with people that don't play ball.

As it is the new owners are happy to go along with everythjng the RFL want. What Bulls fans or anyone else want or think is a better solution was never going to happen.

If you don't like it blame the RFL. None of us wanted this wasted season where we're certs to go down.

If no one comes forward to buy the bulls at -12 they have no option but to change their plans as there is no Newco bulls team in the league.

I think they would have gone with one less team and made an extra place for the league below. That would have been fair.

Are you honestly saying the rfl would have rejected an application from a new Bradford side for 2018? I very much doubt it.

I find it strange that HalifaxCougar would ignore a part of my long message. So in response to your suggestions of saying no to the -12 and 'demanding' a League One place:

The Bradford Bulls membership to the RFL was stripped when the club was liquidated. It was up to the RFL to give it back to the new owners. Chalmers and Lowe HAD to accept the Championship place because of the first two decisions, otherwise the RFL would not have allowed a membership to a Bradford club and therefore there would have been no Bradford club at all.

So not quite as simple as saying no and starting again in 2018. We would still have needed a membership from the RFL and they simply would not have given us it.

On what basis would they have not given it to you?

Are you telling me the RFL would have said no more RL in Bradford ever going forward? I still think you would have got in the bottom league in 2018.

Don't you just love Halifax fans...they always make me feel quite intelligent and I'm very dim by my own admission.

On the basis that we would have essentially given the RFL a huge middle finger. And I don't know if you have any knowledge of sport (I happen to have a degree in Sport Development) but annoying the governing body is something which you really need to avoid. Especially one as inconsistent and stupid as the RFL.

And it would have made a joke of the RFL's fixtures for two leagues. Besides where does the capital come from to re-start in League One after a year out? As I stated before. We should have been in League One this season. This further backs the claim that the RFL are a set of muppets. Their laws clearly state a liquidated club must start from the bottom. Yet they ignored or bent their own rules. Something Bradford fans were not happy about.

Argue over the hypotheticals if you want. We are where we are.

It's sad isn't it? If Bradford doing badly was any kind of route to happiness for fans of our less illustrious neighbours, then you'd have thought they'd be happy by now. But it's never enough. I think perhaps some counselling might be required. And I know they'll have been to genetic counselling, but that's a different thing...

Someone at the club told me that as a sweetener for the the Newco to accept a place in the Championship the RFL would fund their first couple of major signings (Phoenix & Larroyer apparently). Corrupt RFL. RFL's pets.

You are indeed correct on the admission of being Dim, Halifax cougar suggests he lives in Halifax and is a keighley fan. Therefor not a Fax fan.

That's not being dim. Just arrogant. Fax fans, Keighley fans, they're all look the same from these loft heights.