It's not just the recent WUP that worries me. The previous issues seemed to point towards admin issues and/or misunderstandings between the club and the creditor(s).

I'm conscious that some people could look at us talking about these concerns and accusing us of contributing to the scaremongering, but there comes a point where peoples are starting to ask questions of the current setup. Even looking at the previous owners, we were never in the Gazette as much as we have been this year.

I would expect so, they are charging customers for a service.

We'll never know.

I'm now in the realms of not giving a damn.

Don't be a prat, I added my answers and comments in general, nobody is remotely saying that we're ecstatic at our repeated, erm, misunderstandings with HMRC.

Also, you are wrong as no Winding Up order has been made. It's a Petition.

So you'd like to go back to being in repeat administrations, then?

You need to get more relaxed about it, cos we remain afloat, and have done for 2 years under the current management, so just accept that is a big improvement and don't stress over stuff you can't control.

Or do, if that's what floats your boat. Not sure your indignance will make much odds. I'm with Bullseye - frankly, I no longer give a damn, if they keep us going then I don't really care at this point how they do it.

FA - Not called you anything in said discussion, don't understand why you are so quick to get personal.

This, just after being told i'm talking "Bollox"

Would be nice to see you entertain and engage in a friendly debate now and again, without seeing the OTT remarks of people and what they post

According to Mick there was a late submission. this could be either the return, which would result in an assessment if left a while, or the payment, which would not result in an assessment. either of these would result in a surcharge if it was the second occasion.

the assessment for the late return is easy to deal with: you put in the return, and HMRC alter their expectations accordingly, to the amount due on the return.

The surcharge however is a different beast: you could be a day late, and yet be assessed for a surcharge of £250k (an example quoted by tax consultants). You can either ask for a review by HMRC or appeal to a tribunal. However the communication between the department in Newcastle that the review/appeal request/notice is sent to and the debt collection service are pretty bad, so I am not surprised at all that the debt collection dept got itchy fingers and pressed the petition button without consulting their colleagues

The government back in about 2010 recognised how unfair it was that the same surcharge was applied irrespective of whether you were a day or a year late, and suggested a move to greater proportionality, however HMRC have been too busy to work out a fairer system (yes FA I know what you are going to say, HMRC get commission on it so of course they are too busy, counting their bonuses!).

This happened 3 months ago, and it sounds to me like a surcharge, HMRC will fight the appeal so that other companies are not given the opportunity to use the same basis, and it could simply be one day late.

so they know what the worst is, and I am sure that Marc and Steve will have planned for the eventuality of the appeal failing,

There's friendly debate and there's destabilising, malicious rubbish. Tasker appeared and deposited shoite in all corners of the forum, and I don't do friendly with trolls. You're not a troll, but unfortunately you have to an extent fallen for it as you have followed on from his posts instead of recognizing him for what he is.

I only said your comments about HMRC were bollox, and they were. If my friends talk bollox, or act like a prat, then I tell them. It's hardly "personal". I'd hope they would do the same for me.

The clowns who have run this once great Northern/Bulls club into the ground have a lot to answer for:-
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This is a good metaphorical representation of following the Bulls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_HvBKaBWw But one day no safety net at the end!

This is a good metaphorical representation of following the Bulls https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l_HvBKaBWw But one day no safety net at the end!

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don't take this personally but you've hardly been friendly to me or others. if you can't accept the truth then remove yourself from your keyboard and count to ten maybe even phone the club and ask green ferres to deny the rumours that are engulfing the club. end of the day we all support the Bradford Bulls and want them to be back in super league being competitive. you are just hell bent on shouting anyone who doesn't support the party line of everything is ok when it clearly isn't alright. the players and backgroom staff are hoping that they get paid tomorrow so for you to make out everything is ok is a insult to them.

Sh1 te, you are still here. Thought you had been banned. Come on mods, get a grip.

Unless of course you have come back with links to all the cr ap you were posting yesterday? We are all waiting...

the Bradford New Bulls will be announcing the first players that they have signed tomorrow morning at 9am. the new club are in talks to play their games at Odsal subject to RFL approval. the club scout was at dudley hill today looking at future stars and saw one by name of A Grisliest who scored three tries.

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