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Quote: hindle xiii "But it's all we had. Come 1st September 2012, Guilfoyle was going to liquidate the club so he didn't have to find money for that month's wages.

Quote: hindle xiii "You do realise Guilfoyle was threatening to wrap the club up so his associates could have the spotlight taken off them? The RFL would never have allowed that to happen given it's financial investment into the lease at Odsal.The tactic worked, because there has hardly been a murmur about the £400k that disappeared & the RFL has shied away from looking into the mess. That's because they know that can of worms is best left unopened.'"


I don't know these, I didn't know the last board, I see them both as suits at the top table. I believe what the current board say in the same way the I believed what the last did. Not because I'm gullible, but because that's all there is and in a way that doesn't matter to the majority of fans, most won't 'care' to find the difference between the truth and what we're told, they want the club to do well and are happy with the frontage, the facade, the spoonfed nature.

Quote: hindle xiii "And that is exactly what those in the suits rely on. Blind faith. That's not being disrespectful, it's just how people are.'"


I could tell you a pack of lies and you may believe it, because you'd know no different. The context is almost irrelevant. It's a bit random but it's probably best how to explain it IMO.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "Do some research into Bradford Trident, what it was about, who was behind it, who earned from it, what it actually achieved etc etc.

Let me be quite clear, I have nothing against the Bulls team or it's supporters. I think they are being led a merry dance by a bunch of shysters.'"


It's clear what you think, what isn't clear is why you think it. I asked a few basic questions and I get given an open ended research project.

How are we being led a merry dance by shysters? I pay for my ticket and up until now I've been allowed into the stadium and there's been a game on. The shirt I paid for is in the cupboard.

There are issues with the club but the context is that the club were losing 100k a month when they were receiving the full amount from Sky. There was a long drawn out process of administration and OK bought the club, maintained its SL status, fulfilled the fixtures, retained SL status and is now signing decent level players. If he makes the price of an onion bhaji out of it I'd be surprised but if he does, good luck to him. Nothing you've presented on here supports your view he or Sutcliffe (who's been around for years) are engaged in multiple conspiracies to defraud BMDC, Bradford Trident and/or the collective Bulls supporter.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "
This comment alone, never mind your ridiculous one about me being a previous poster, shows your inability to read & understand what I actually said.
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Nope it shows you being careless. Since Adeybull hasn't been around during the currency of your present incarnation on the forum, yet you said "even he". A newbie with 40 posts wouldn't know Adeybull from Adam. Oops! You need to be more careful.

Quote: BiffasBoys "The rest of your post isn't even worth addressing'"

Haha you mean you just can't handle it.

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Quote: M@islebugs "It's clear what you think, what isn't clear is why you think it. I asked a few basic questions and I get given an open ended research project.

How are we being led a merry dance by shysters? I pay for my ticket and up until now I've been allowed into the stadium and there's been a game on. The shirt I paid for is in the cupboard.

There are issues with the club but the context is that the club were losing 100k a month when they were receiving the full amount from Sky. There was a long drawn out process of administration and OK bought the club, maintained its SL status, fulfilled the fixtures, retained SL status and is now signing decent level players. If he makes the price of an onion bhaji out of it I'd be surprised but if he does, good luck to him. Nothing you've presented on here supports your view he or Sutcliffe (who's been around for years) are engaged in multiple conspiracies to defraud BMDC, Bradford Trident and/or the collective Bulls supporter.'"


I've pointed you in the direction of where to look. Whether or not you choose to is up to you.

Khan didn't maintain the clubs SL status. The RFL did. It had to otherwise it's £1m+ purchase of the Odsal lease would yield no return & have to be sold.

Similarly the RFL took the same action when it came to renewing for 2014, this despite it knowing of the unpaid tax bill & cash flow problems. SL status was never under threat.

How much is it losing a month for it not to be able to pay wages & tax bills on time without Khan proclaiming his recent investment?

Has anything actually changed?

Conspiracies to defraud? Your words, not mine.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Nope it shows you being careless. Since Adeybull hasn't been around during the currency of your present incarnation on the forum, yet you said "even he". A newbie with 40 posts wouldn't know Adeybull from Adam. Oops! You need to be more careful.

Haha you mean you just can't handle it.'"



Careless? What is careless about reading posts on a forum on a website? I don't know Adeybull from Adam, that is true. Since when does reading his or anyone else's posts require membership or to have posted?

Silly boy.

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Quote: BiffasBoys "I've pointed you in the direction of where to look. Whether or not you choose to is up to you.

Khan didn't maintain the clubs SL status. The RFL did. It had to otherwise it's £1m+ purchase of the Odsal lease would yield no return & have to be sold.

Similarly the RFL took the same action when it came to renewing for 2014, this despite it knowing of the unpaid tax bill & cash flow problems. SL status was never under threat.

How much is it losing a month for it not to be able to pay wages & tax bills on time without Khan proclaiming his recent investment?

Has anything actually changed?

Conspiracies to defraud? Your words, not mine.'"


You want me to go find the evidence to support your theory? Normally its common practice on RLfans that the poster making a case does the legwork themselves, particularly when calling the people 'shysters' and clearly inferring Vipin Joshi, Ian Greenwood, Gerry Sutcliffe and Omar Khan were linked to the misappropriation of funds from Bradford Council via Bradford Trident. You also referred to this matter being under investigation. I'm not asking for forensic detail, just who's being investigated by whom, and for what. Is there a link, a newspaper article, anything?

It's all juicy stuff and I'm keen to read it but so far all we've got appears to be late payment of a tax bill.

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Oh dear, what did i start icon_smile.gif

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A winding up order.

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Just got back from a lovely week in the sun

Who's this idiot BiffasBoys

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Quote: BiffasBoys "Careless? What is careless about reading posts on a forum on a website? I don't know Adeybull from Adam, that is true. Since when does reading his or anyone else's posts require membership or to have posted?

Silly boy.'"


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So let me see, you never posted before, but you have read the forum as a guest without ever joining, for maybe years. Avidly, since you are able to remember and indeed cast aspersions about a poster who hasn't posted since April.

You "know" all this sh;t, but you never thought to barge in and spill the beans, and save us all from ourselves and from our evil rulers till just recently. Not, for example, when OK and GS first came on the scene. Not last season. Not at the start of this season. But now.

So disinterested have you previously been that you only bothered joining RLFans two days ago. Then suddenly, in a Damascene moment, you felt the overwhelming urge to ride on to RAB, and spew accusations, insults and libels around like a lawn sprinkler, as you suddenly want us to 'know the truth'. How am I doing? Have I got the gist so far?

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Quote: M@islebugs "You want me to go find the evidence to support your theory? Normally its common practice on RLfans that the poster making a case does the legwork themselves, particularly when calling the people 'shysters' and clearly inferring Vipin Joshi, Ian Greenwood, Gerry Sutcliffe and Omar Khan were linked to the misappropriation of funds from Bradford Council via Bradford Trident. You also referred to this matter being under investigation. I'm not asking for forensic detail, just who's being investigated by whom, and for what. Is there a link, a newspaper article, anything?

It's all juicy stuff and I'm keen to read it but so far all we've got appears to be late payment of a tax bill.'"


I didn't put forward a theory, I pointed out facts. I didn't mention misappropriation. Khan & his people are, in my opinion, shysters & not to be trusted.

Go on the T&A website and search Bradford Trident. You'll see a nice picture of current Bradford Council leader David Green with among others Vipin Joshi in a piece about handing over public money & land to Trident.

Another Bulls board member, Ian Greenwood was employed by the same group. Khan down as a trustee too.

All on the board at Bulls who have an unsecured public money loan approved by David Green.

It's all out there in the public domain.

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Quote: vbfg "A winding up order.'"


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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "

I read all the RL forums. There are one or two on each forum who appear to speak with sense & balance on their own clubs. As far as this forum goes it was Adeybull in particular. I hadn't realised it was so long since he had posted, but the point of him being the most knowledgeable still stands.

The HMRC issue has only surfaced in the last few days. That's what made me decide to join the site & the discussion on this thread.

Simple

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Quote: BiffasBoys "I read all the RL forums. There are one or two on each forum who appear to speak with sense & balance on their own clubs. As far as this forum goes it was Adeybull in particular. I hadn't realised it was so long since he had posted, but the point of him being the most knowledgeable still stands.

The HMRC issue has only surfaced in the last few days. That's what made me decide to join the site & the discussion on this thread.

Simple'"


Bollocks, bull, piffle & codswallop.

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Quote: mystic eddie "Indeed you do.

Come on then, share your suspicions. What do you not have the cojones to accuse me of?

Correct. I do not know the facts. Just commenting on what was reported in the local media (in Gawthorpe-gate) but subsequwntly not denied by the club. In the case of Jay Willey, I did, of course, merely comment about her length of tenure, not the ins and outs of the case. We know the length of her service so it is indeed a fact.

Don't be so silly. What you know about me in order to enable you to make such a claim is curious. Like you say, stick to facts.

Ryan Whitcut would be better served getting his job done properly rather than spending time on social media. If he was not so distracted by what others had to say then he maybe would not forget to pay the bills.

Ok. What exactly is your definition of a fan?

PS, I see you ignored the "Inconvenient Truths" about the club I posted. Is this what a "real fan" does?'"


Again, you comments show that it isn't me that needs a reality check.

I would suggest that rather than suggest I don't have any balls, lets just say I have a bit of sense not to accuse you of anything directly. Lets just say I think your comments against the current ownership have sinister undertones.

Comments on what has been gossiped about are not productive. Glad you accept you're not in full possession of the facts but it is grossly unfair to hold them against the club... again you don't seem to have much of a problem doing this.

Have you ever used social media? I dont see how you can accuse someone of ignoring their job because they happen to make a few tweets (something that takes seconds) Have you tried contacting Ryan to discuss your concerns?

A fan, sometimes also called aficionado or supporter, is a person who is enthusiastically devoted to something, such as a band, a sports team or entertainer. Collectively, fans of a particular thing or person constitute its fanbase or fandom. They may show their enthusiasm by being members of a fan club, holding fan conventions, creating fanzines, writing fan mail, or by promoting the object of their interest and attention.

I would suggest that you do not support the club, what you do only undermines what is trying to be achieved here.

Ignored "inconvenient truths??? What about the truths you have failed to acknowledge???

Did they not say it would take 3yrs to turn around???

Did they not say it would take time to turn the playing staff around???

If they did... why are you so obsessed with making destabilising comments like you do???

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