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to compare a drunken idiot grabbing his wife's arm and bruising her to murderers is quite extreme. A comparison like for like would be more fair.

back on topic, I think Reardon will make a good signing. He obviously has the skills but hasn't had a chance to use them for a while. I hope he gets that chance here or he will turn out to be another feather type signing.

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Quote: mystic eddie " . . . . . . snip . . . . .

I just wonder what sort of message this signing puts out to the female supporters of Bradford Bulls because we cannot afford to lose any more people through the gate.'"


Interesting one that.

There are more than a few regular female posters on here.

It'd be interesting to hear their views . . . . .

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Never seen the Guildford Four and the Birmingham Six cited as a reason to treat those convicted of crime more harshly before.

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I just hope Stuart is given a fair chance to get back on a regular path, we can do without any element who want to go back over the past.
He has shown us before that he is a good player, and if approaching his best, can break the opponents defensive lines, and that his the type of back who is in short supply.
It is very easy to sit in judgement, but I am sure Stuart knows he will be very much in the public eye, and any lapse will be punished.

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Quote: Adeybull "So, by extension, which offences would it be appropriate to deprive a player of his livelihood for, and which ones would it not?

A senior player belted someone and got 200 hours community service for it

Another very senior player got done for drink-driving?

Going back a bit, IIRC a prop and a half were charged with assault or similar after a fracas outside a takeaway (can't remember if convicted or not)?

A wannabe stand off's case when a Bulls player involved an alleged offence I suggest far more serious in most observers' eyes?

I remember reading about another half and major role
model getting banged up in the cells in Leeds one night?

We as fans discovered after we had signed a kiwi forward that he had an assault (or was it worse?) charge hanging over him.

Further afield, didn't a former Bulls half have an unfortunate experience with a gentleman of the constabulary when subsequently found to be under the influence of a certain substance?

Just some things I remember (to the best of my recollection - and Mods I will happily correct or withdraw unreservedly any where my recollection is faulty)

Should all of these players have been deprived of their livelihood too? Does it affect anything if a player admitted his guilt? And how do you grade their offences or conduct relative to Reardon's? At what point does the offence cross your line? How hard the punch? How tight the grab? How intoxicated the culprit?'"


So all these things are acceptable to you as a fan are they? Its ok as long as they say sorry? Or admit it?
Strange.

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Quote: mystic eddie "
I just wonder what sort of message this signing puts out to the female supporters of Bradford Bulls because we cannot afford to lose any more people through the gate.'"


Here is one females view:

This appears to be a one off incident and as such I do not think it precludes him earning a living as a professional sportsman. I think career-wise he has paid a heavy price.

I have no objection to the bulls offering him a lifeline and hope he appreciates what the club is doing for him.

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Quote: debaser "So all these things are acceptable to you as a fan are they? Its ok as long as they say sorry? Or admit it?
Strange.'"


I asked you a question, which you have avoided by diverting the question back at me in different form. I will happily answer your question, once you have answered mine.

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I find it strange how some people feel able to form an objective judgment on the suitability of a player as an individual based presumably on what they have read in the papers or online (often from the same original source)?

Would those people feel equally able to form an objective judgment on the suitability of a player as a player, based solely on what what they read in the "popular" (as opposed to specialist) papers or in published stories online?

For my own part, on the second point I prefer firstly to trust to what I have seen with my own eyes. In the absence of that, I prefer to trust to the judgment of people who I feel are best-qualified to judge.

On the first point, no difference. In that case, since I did not attend the court and hear the various submissions (and see the reports made available to the court) I prefer to trust to those who are best qualified to judge. Which, with respect, is the court, and not provincial journalists writing a story for generic "popular" papers.

As FA said, the sentence passed down by the court would tend to indicate how the court judged the offence, would it not?

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Quote: mystic eddie "Why? He was convicted in court of an act of violence against his wife? What would you say he was then? '"

Excuse me, but my post explained, in detail, the distinction I am drawing. It's not difficult. Try reading it again, it needs no explanation. If you don't want to read it, or can't understand it, that is your problem but the answer was there before you asked it. (So why did you ask it?)

Quote: mystic eddie "And how do you know that it was a "one-off" incident? '"

Because I lived with Reardon and his wife throughout their marriage, and never left their side. icon_surprised.gifops:

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rlStuart speaks...rl

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Stuart was a decent player when he was with us before and I see no reason why he shouldn`t be so again. We all make mistakes in life, some more serious than others, but that doesn`t mean that an individual person is somehow automatically beyond redemption.

As has been pointed out, the court decided it wasn`t at the `bad` end of assault and he wasn`t given a custodial sentence. He`s got a job playing rugby for heaven`s sake, not wanting to go out with your daughter.

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Quote: Adeybull "rlStuart speaks...rl'"


Come on now Adey, you know that's BSCs job!

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Quote: Adeybull "In what way?

Is he any worse player than (say) Justin Brooker, Nick Zisti, Hudson Smith, Abi Ekoku, Kevin Crouthers, Phil Howlett, Karl Pratt and Logan Swann even...?

(OK, maybe a bit unfair on Pratt there...)

Had we fallen so low in those days?

At least, unlike the majority of the above, this guy is British AND home-grown?

And, if you are alluding to off-field as opposed to player performance issues, we signed Logan Swann with a serious court case hanging over him, and we retained Brian Mac (who so many said they wanted as coach earlier this year) after a serious conviction for assault, and a major marquee player after a drink-drive conviction IIRC, and Leon of course, and various others after convictions and other run-ins with the law, and that's before you even go back to the Hanley days.

Had we fallen so low in those days?

Or is this just another convenient excuse to berate the club?

Serious question.

FWIW I am quite happy with this signing, for the reasons that various posters (I think Bully Boxer's post sums up best, but one of a number of good other posts would serve equally well ) of similar mind have stated.'"
I find that a player who hasn't performed well for 2 years has been released by his former club and has had a serious injury to be a extremly strange signing.

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Quote: Mission "Come on now Adey, you know that's BSCs job!'"


icon_surprised.gifops: How can I live with the shame... icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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