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Quote: bullfan away "can he turn it around?'"


Good question.

As you might of guessed, I think he can.
Although we have declined over that last few years, I think that was inevitable and would have happened under anyone.

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Quote: bullfan away "No it isn't all down to Steve, and I don't think theres any true fans on here would be as unintelligent as to think it is all down to him. But the question is a valid one in that, `can he turn it around?''"


Correct so it also then follows that McNamara isn't alone in having to turn it around.

But concentrating on what he can influence I'm still not sure he's up to it. Despite all the problems he's had to endure we still appear to be deteriorating and he's confessed more than once to be baffled why that's the case.

Not a good sign.

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Quote: Bullseye "Correct so it also then follows that McNamara isn't alone in having to turn it around.

But concentrating on what he can influence I'm still not sure he's up to it. Despite all the problems he's had to endure we still appear to be deteriorating and he's confessed more than once to be baffled why that's the case.

Not a good sign.'"


It isn't a good sign.
But is it a turn of phrase in the heat of interview? (Serious question, I'm not defending him)

How long do we wait? (Again, serious question)

Do we have to accept we're never going to be the same force again? (Still being serious!)

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Quote: Wigan Bull "It isn't a good sign.
But is it a turn of phrase in the heat of interview? (Serious question, I'm not defending him)

How long do we wait? (Again, serious question)

Do we have to accept we're never going to be the same force again? (Still being serious!)'"


If it's a turn of phrase it's one he needs to stop using as it makes him look like he's not in control. If he isn't baffled then we'd surely start to address some of the areas where we struggle yet I've seen little sign of that.

How long do we wait? Until we're a top 4 side again? I think we're four or five players away from that at the moment. It depends on the plan the club has for turning things around.

Do we accept we're never going to be the same force again? No! Absolutely not. The club must aim to set high standards above everyone else. Being happy with simply competing is a losers mentality, there has to be a long term aim to be a championship winning team.

Will we manage it? Who knows? There have been three successful periods in the past 102 years. I hope we don't have to wait another thirty years for the next one.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "Although we have declined over that last few years, I think that was inevitable and would have happened under anyone.'"


Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not to the extent you are currently appearing.

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Quote: Bullseye "Do we accept we're never going to be the same force again? No! Absolutely not. The club must aim to set high standards above everyone else. Being happy with simply competing is a losers mentality, there has to be a long term aim to be a championship winning team.

Will we manage it? Who knows? There have been three successful periods in the past 102 years. I hope we don't have to wait another thirty years for the next one.'"

Indeed. If anything it's more serious than that. Super League, recent success and the Odsal situation have all raised the stakes alarmingly (or exhilaratingly, if you like to live on the edge icon_wink.gif ). If we don't achieve some sort of success, we don't get our crowds back. That may cripple us in itself, but it makes us less likely to retain Superleague status. Without Superleague status - but with the Odsal burden - we don't exist!

Even if the OSV comes through, I can't help but think that it only makes it a greater pressure (with the addition of a moral imperative) for us to get back to being at least among the best.

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Quote: tigertot "Maybe, maybe not. But definitely not to the extent you are currently appearing.'"


To be fair, I don't think there's any way of knowing that for sure.

Maybe we wouldn't have won a game with someone else?
Then again, maybe we'd be top!?

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Quote: Bullseye "How long do we wait? Until we're a top 4 side again? I think we're four or five players away from that at the moment. It depends on the plan the club has for turning things around.'"


I'd go with that. The problem of course is when suitable players are going to become available and what prospects do we have in the academy.

Quote: Bullseye "Do we accept we're never going to be the same force again? No! Absolutely not. The club must aim to set high standards above everyone else. Being happy with simply competing is a losers mentality, there has to be a long term aim to be a championship winning team. '"


That's certainly my feeling too, lets hope the club reaffirm this at the forum

Quote: Bullseye "Will we manage it? Who knows? There have been three successful periods in the past 102 years. I hope we don't have to wait another thirty years for the next one.'"


Lets hope so.
I just hope we start to see the slide turn into a climb again soon

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Quote: Wigan Bull "
Lets hope so.
I just hope we start to see the slide turn into a climb again soon'"


Lets be fair mate, when you are sat in 13th place, the only way to go is up!

[sizeP.s. I know we could drop to 14th[/size

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Quote: Bullseye "Do we accept we're never going to be the same force again? No! Absolutely not. The club must aim to set high standards above everyone else. Being happy with simply competing is a losers mentality, there has to be a long term aim to be a championship winning team.
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Exactly! In the words of The Johnson " You show me a good loser and i'll show you a loser."

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Quote: dixie "
[sizeP.s. I know we could drop to 14th[/size'"


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Quote: af "Perhaps the biggest of several parts of the puzzle you are missing is the issue of "Will sacking McNamara make things better?" You treat this as a no-brainer, when the fact is that it would cause great disruption and the club would have to be very fortunate to recruit a coach of sufficient ability to counteract that. Just for example, Brian Mac's record at Quins suggests that good as he is, in the unlikely event of him taking the job, he would not meet this standard.'"
But like wise you treat it as a no brainer that we will get better under McNamara. Even though the form of the last 12 months suggests this isn't going to happen. So this leaves us then in the stupid situation then even though he's failing we can't replace him because his replacement might do no better it's a strange logic.

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Quote: Wigan Bull "Good question.

As you might of guessed, I think he can.
Although we have declined over that last few years, I think that was inevitable and would have happened under anyone.'"
So you thought we would be in this mess at the end of the 2007 season when we finished 3rd. It's just seems to be a convenient excuse now things have gone wrong.

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Quote: tigertot "Where is the evidence that Brian Mc would not meet this standard? He has turned a mediocre team, whose survival I was concerned about, into a consistent icon_smile.gif ), but if we are going to be a top club again then I think this has to be the approach. I think that our savvy in the market in the first years of Super League is now replicated by a lot of clubs - there's no way we'd be the only ones in for Lowes, TV, Les even these days. So we'd better get growing our own.

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Quote: redeverready "So you thought we would be in this mess at the end of the 2007 season when we finished 3rd. It's just seems to be a convenient excuse now things have gone wrong.'"


If I'm completely honest, no, probably not.
Hopfully we've hit the bottom and are now going to rise again.

The NRL has shown us you can finish bottom and go on to win the comp in a short turnaround

I don't know what the problem if on the field this season.
We could have easily won more games than we had. Even 5 of those (e.g. Wakefield, Cas, Hudds, Celtic and Salford), would have seen us on 19 points, in 4th, with a game in hand and the season suddenly has a different outlook.

I also don't know whether there's an issue behind closed doors. I certainly haven't any sort of whisper whatsoever to suggest he's lost the dressing room/

I still say we'll make the 8

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