Is that the 2007 where we only won 3 of our last 9 matches.

After the successful Leeds side of 99 fell apart it took them five years before they won anything again. Taking out that 99 Challenge Cup Leeds were "in transition" for over 30 years.

Can we expect the green shoots of recovery to show this season? I'd hope it's not going to take us much longer. There was a 17 year gap between us winning major trophies 1980-1997 and 30 year gap 1949-1979. That's almost Leeds-esque

Seems reasonable. though you do have to contend with people who want to knwo why the generation fo young stars haven't won the Cup, WCC and SL Trophy in these first 3 weeks.


They don't, necessarily; it's a given that 99% of all coaches in all sports move on, most sooner rather than later, it's just that on all reports, it is McNamara that has been the persuasive factor in our signings of the Burgesses etc.


If it had not been for Jeffries' brainfart we had already got the 2 points vs HKR. They also beat Saints away, and should by all accounts have beaten Leeds, so at this stage of the season aren't playing like whipping boys, much though it suits the case of the NT to make facile generalisations like "we 'should' be beating 'teams like these' ".

If Tadulala had not lost hold of the ball in the act of scoring we would almost certainly not have lost to Huddersfield either, however disjointed much of our attacking was. A battle-hardened Hudds. were fresh off the back of a fine victory at Catalans, who were a better team than us last season, so it came as no surprise to find them as competitive as they were.

If we won our game in hand today then we would be up to joint 4th, that's how bad it is. We've already seen enough to know that our pack can more than mix it with the best, and the defence is very good if not yet perfect, so we aren't that far off at all.


No Burgess, no Langley, no Solomona, no Deacon . . . sounds tailor-made for a famous victory to me.

This is my point, coaches move on, the club carrys on, if its McNamara or no long term then we have bigger problems as a club than just McNamara. but as it is McNamara who has instigated this turn around in youth policy then I see no reason (barring my previous caveats) why he cant at least be given this season, up to the end of his contract.



I agree, with all the possesion we had, a lucky/scrappy try early on against Hudds or Hull KR could have seen a confidence start to flow in our attack that is certainly absent at the moment. Huddersfield and Hull KR are both playing well at the moment, whereas we were playing like we were in preseason, (partly the coachs fault, but not entirely) And I think we are guilty as Bradford fans of not giving enough regonition to the two teams we have played, they both played well and took their "limited" chances well. (one of HKR's trys was from a quick tap after a restart on the 20, not that they systematically took us apart)



We might do it, and surely thats the point of it all?? as long as some improvement is shown and its a good game I wont be slitting my wrists even if we lose again, which is quite possible away at Wigan....but far from certain IMO, playing two weeks on the spin will help for a start.

No Lynch...maybe no Godwin...sure in the wars right now. We can't use the injuries as any excuse though given how the likes of Wakefield have performed in adversity.

"My centre is giving way, my right is retreating; situation excellent. I shall
attack!"

Maybe this time out we will.

Deja vu...wonder who'll fill the JP role for us this time round?

Fair point, I was grumbling as much as anybody on the way out, talking about "dumb" rugby with a lack of creativity.

But it is early in the season, we have not had any consistancy even this early, both in our scheduling and in the injuries we've picked up and we could still have had results against two decent teams on form even with us playing that badly. So I stand by my notion that its not as desperate yet as some people think IMHO (other people obviously differ in expectation I guess)

I just think we need to stick to saving severe critisim for after a decent run of games and then see where we are, after say, I dunno, 10 games??? sure I heard that somewhere

Oh dear, I may as well indulge you.

Why does every argument you have, have to be a case of "who/what is better than what we have"?

Wigan have made a couple of GF eliminators, Hull KR are showing improvement as are Catalans, Huddersfield, Wakefield (under Kear) and to a lesser extent, Castleford. Hull FC and Wire have disappointed obviously.

The fact remains though that clubs like KR, Wakey, Cas and the Cats are at least showing signs of improvement and a genuine hope. (In fact, it may have escaped your notice but the Catalans lost their manager to a superior side, hence was his achievements at the club.)

We are showing no improvement, a fact that you clearly refuse to accept despite plenty of opinion (evidence?) to the contrary?

However, as you wish to dwell on your on points, hows' about you answer the points I put to you about McNamara's signings?