After everything that's happened it would be a monumental effort to do the double over fev, batley, dewsbury and London, even Swinton look the real deal this season.

I think we have a chance of beating them at at not sure away as they both know how to play the slope

All I have to say, who thought Batley would make top 4 last year? If we have same work rate and don't give up. I think we can stay up.

We dont need to the the double over them, thats the point. We can lose every game to Batley/Fev and London and still stay up.

I think the vast majority of us think we will stay up. Be pretty funny if we beat KR first up though!

Don't think Swinton have improved massively if I am honest, brought in Matt Sarsfield and Jack Murphy who are good players but lost Littler, Matty Beharrell and Emmett who were all good for them.

Swinton will be tough. They won't feel secure in their position in the league at all, and they are tough as nails. They ran a lot of teams close in defeat last year.

I hate to put this in quite these terms cos it's the kind of thing that leads to us being accused of arrogance. It's still kinda true though. We're a bigger club when we don't exist than some teams still in Super League. We'd be a scalp for any Championship side if we were in League One. We'd be a scalp for a lot of Super League sides if we were in League One. Events haven't scrubbed that away yet. Much diminished, but that's still there. You only have to look at the cast of thousands who would try and convince you otherwise to know how true it is.

Whatever empathy there was is over. They're all gunning for us.

Got no idea how many points you'll need to stay up this season but I think the strength in depth of the Championship is stronger than its ever been

The only advantage the Bulls have is that their playing systems will evolve rapidly over the next few months, which won't phase the full time Clubs so much but the pt's will hopefully be at a disadvantage, Disko probably had some thoughts about our systems till Rohan left and Toovs took over, I suspect it will be a lot more substance over style in play till some decent playmakers either appear from within or more likely brought in during the season!
Its going to be a bit like the last few weeks of the 95 season and start of the SL era in 96 with the Team changing personnel every week but at lower level in quality this time round. I will predict some silly losses and surprising wins will still be part of the Bulls ethos!
While it's expected to be a roller coaster ride on the pitch, I hope to see some sensible business decisions off it and not all of them will be enjoyable, but it's still a business and needs to be run properly but not ignoring supporters wishes outright!

Sky bet aren't taking any bets on the championship at the moment for anything!!

I can't even begin to try to predict the outcome of this season's games until I know what our team is? Only Leon has been confirmed. Until I see a competitive squad on paper then I'm assuming that we'll lose every game.

Now this makes sense

Yeah, that would help better estimate our odds.

As I said on another thread, we've got at least 6 new names to add to the team so let's wait for that and see if any white knights come charging in to save us from a relegation scrap

With the players who have not left and will presumably resign we will not win games. The current group of players hardly offers a pack of forwards. I'm hoping that new, quality players will come in, I hope that is why Toovey signed up. So if we keep the current crop and don't add significantly we will struggle in every game. I remember Swinton pushing us all the way in the tin pot shield last year in a side including Chisholm, O'Brien Welham and Moss

I think the thing that could stand us in a bit better stead is the fact we have Championship hardened players nto SL prima donnas who expect to walk over part time teams. From the list, Campbell, Mendeika, Roche, Magrin, Foster, Macani all played extensive games in this league. A couple of ours will have had a good couple of years to adapt plus Phil Joseph is a rough and ready player. A lot of the time in this league for clubs in our position (meaning staving off relegation) its about the fight, if what has been said about Toovey is true that players will run through brick walls for him I think a few of our current squad will be more equipped than our previous to deal with the fight thats going to be needed

If we beat KR first up I'll give you the shirt off my back