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| Quote: Terry Price's knee "His temprement made him a highly effective player but a lousy coach. He'll never win anything by bullying folk.
As for his attitude to supporters - after an especially dismal performance at the Shay in 2015 I suggested he resign and return to rugby union. His response was to offer to "see me outside later". Pity it took him eight months to take my advice.'"
Jimmy was a cracking player and always seemed to put 150% in every game. He gave more physically (and probably more mentally) for the Bulls than the majority of us could have done in his boots.
It is understandable that his time coaching our beloved Bradford Bulls is not held in high regard; but if we (collectively) had landed that last kick he could have been our Knight in shining armour (& you could argue that we might not have found ourselves in our current predicament).
That aside; I passionately detest bullys and if that was his style, I'm sorry for anyone that may have been one of his victims.
His response to TPk is not professional but most coaches have to put up with a lot of abuse from fans and it cant be easy when someone tells you that you should resign because you're no good at your job - I'm sure he was as much annoyed with that performance as us fans were.
I wish he'd have told Danny Addy to run it rather than go for the kick - but thats history and I remember Jimmy for the many highlights as a player, not his short time as our coach.
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| Quote: Terry Price's knee "His temprement made him a highly effective player but a lousy coach. He'll never win anything by bullying folk.
As for his attitude to supporters - after an especially dismal performance at the Shay in 2015 I suggested he resign and return to rugby union. His response was to offer to "see me outside later". Pity it took him eight months to take my advice.'"
He bullied when questioned.Whats wrong with that?
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| Just hope he won't drag them down as well
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| It's not a new job it's the one he had before coming the Bulls Coach, Gary Hetherington wouldn't have him back if he hadn't done ok last time round!
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| Quote: Terry Price's knee "His temprement made him a highly effective player but a lousy coach. He'll never win anything by bullying folk.
As for his attitude to supporters - after an especially dismal performance at the Shay in 2015 I suggested he resign and return to rugby union. His response was to offer to "see me outside later". Pity it took him eight months to take my advice.'"
I was next to this incident at the shay as I had gone to the front to clap the lads off from the final game of the season (which was effectively a dead rubber as we had already qualified for the middle 8's).
If you are the fan from that incident then you left out the part when you stood at the front giving all the players the fingers and shouting the odds at each of them with a very red face... you turned the abuse to Jimmy who came over to discuss with you and he tried to discuss the dead rubber fixture before making that comment about seeing you outside.
Granted Jimmy shouldn't have said that but the full picture if you will please...
Jimmy seemed to be a victim of circumstance in the 'helping hand' from ferres and injuries to Gaskell. If he can put his work ethic in his players he will do very well as a coach but he's not going to be a coach to put an arm around a player which is probably he down fall
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| Quote: Bulls4 "I was next to this incident at the shay as I had gone to the front to clap the lads off from the final game of the season (which was effectively a dead rubber as we had already qualified for the middle 8's).
If you are the fan from that incident then you left out the part when you stood at the front giving all the players the fingers and shouting the odds at each of them with a very red face... you turned the abuse to Jimmy who came over to discuss with you and he tried to discuss the dead rubber fixture before making that comment about seeing you outside.
Granted Jimmy shouldn't have said that but the full picture if you will please...
Jimmy seemed to be a victim of circumstance in the 'helping hand' from ferres and injuries to Gaskell. If he can put his work ethic in his players he will do very well as a coach but he's not going to be a coach to put an arm around a player which is probably he down fall'"
Interesting that people these days like to play the victim without recognizing their actions and how that might have contributed to the situation.
And so he shouldn't. These players are getting paid a lot to play. They shouldn't need a arm around them, okay if they have played really well and been beaten then fair enough an arm around them, but at times we played poor. Lowes approach to not putting his arm around them is right, if players need that then maybe they are in the wrong profession. I know a lot of our bosses wouldn't be like this if we did our jobs poorly. Lowes main problem was that he acted more like a friend to the players, rather than a boss.
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| Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "Interesting that people these days like to play the victim without recognizing their actions and how that might have contributed to the situation.
And so he shouldn't. These players are getting paid a lot to play. They shouldn't need a arm around them, okay if they have played really well and been beaten then fair enough an arm around them, but at times we played poor. Lowes approach to not putting his arm around them is right, if players need that then maybe they are in the wrong profession. I know a lot of our bosses wouldn't be like this if we did our jobs poorly. Lowes main problem was that he acted more like a friend to the players, rather than a boss.'"
Not sure if I'm the same person you refer to - there were others near me shouting abuse. Lowes marched over to confront a guy who was indeed red faced - he then turned his attention to me and I gave him my opinion when he then threatened me. I'm not going to get into a debate about this (we have bigger things to worry about!) but I think the 2015 team underperformed massively due to his lack of coaching ability. His mate Karl Harrison's comments when he left the club spoke volumes about Lowes as a coach.
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| Quote: Terry Price's knee "Not sure if I'm the same person you refer to - there were others near me shouting abuse. Lowes marched over to confront a guy who was indeed red faced - he then turned his attention to me and I gave him my opinion when he then threatened me. I'm not going to get into a debate about this (we have bigger things to worry about!) but I think the 2015 team underperformed massively due to his lack of coaching ability. His mate Karl Harrison's comments when he left the club spoke volumes about Lowes as a coach.'"
His mate Karl Harrison won't have a word said about Jimmy's coaching ability, just his refusal to use his input more. This is something Jimmy has admitted subsequently to being a mistake during Karl's time there.
I am still surprised that more fans think he was a failure at the Bulls when as pointed out he had good wins against top clubs at the end of 2014 and then took the team on a 14 game unbeaten run, stuffed Salford and got the team to within minutes of promotion at the first attempt.
Can we put to bed the 'we don't need a scrum half' myth. At the start of 2016 pre season Jimmy had half backs, Seijka and Gaskell with Mullaney as a back up. Ferres got rid of Seijka without consulting Lowes and then his best mate Mullaney cleared off as well. So the comment 'we don't need a scrum half' was made initially because he had half backs.
Lowes gets too little credit, Rohan gets too much (Top 4 anyone), and Ferres has got off scott free.
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| Quote: Terry Price's knee "Not sure if I'm the same person you refer to - there were others near me shouting abuse. Lowes marched over to confront a guy who was indeed red faced - he then turned his attention to me and I gave him my opinion when he then threatened me. I'm not going to get into a debate about this (we have bigger things to worry about!) but I think the 2015 team underperformed massively due to his lack of coaching ability. His mate Karl Harrison's comments when he left the club spoke volumes about Lowes as a coach.'"
It wasn't a direct swipe at you but if the shoe fits! It was more of a general observation, I wasn't at the Shay but I was at a few games where people I know have shouted abuse at the players (Ferguson most notably) and Lowes. Only to be met with a similar reaction from Ferguson and Lowes (it shut them up) but then after the game played victim which really vexed me off.
I thought the 2015 team performed well throughout the season. 1 defeat in the first 19 games. When top 4 was secure and injuries set in we lost to Fev, Sheff (by 2) and Fax (by 4). Finished 2nd behind a quality Leigh side. When we got to the middle 8's we hammered Salford but struggled to maintain the intensity against SL sides due to not playing at that intensity week in week out. In all fairness the Widnes and Hull KR squad of that year were quality! Hull KR were CC runners up! Then we secured our place in £1mill match which rendered the Fax game a dead rubber (rested a lot of players).
Even in the £1million game we were within two points with 4 mins to go. Just was one of those games. All in all a quality season. Granted Lowes selection of Baile at hooker and playing Mendieka throughout the season were questionable but even the likes of Noble and other top coaches have made selections errors before.
Harrison did have a few choice words about Lowes. He's probably right too about his arrogance and attitude as a coach, I always loved how he was honest and spoke his mind in interviews, no nonsense, it was brilliant. But the on field results are what counts. And we were inches off being promoted at the first chance under Lowes (he wasn't helped by Ferres or the off field going ons). On the field Rohan failed to deliver last season, he coached us to 5 losses during the season including a nilling against Fev where he made a bigger coaching error than Lowes ever did by not selecting O'Brien. He essentially cost us the top 4, more money and a shot a promotion. And even in the Champ Shield he coached us to a loss against Workington for the first time in 20-30+ years. Yet people bag Lowes and love Rohan?
For the record I absolutely love Rohan and have huge optimism for him and what he has done and what he will do (hopefully) at the Bradford club. But to say Lowes was a bad coach? For me he needed a free reign without Ferres hovering over him. Plus it was he first proper coaching gig in RL. As in over 20 games coaching for one club. So really still learning.
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| Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "It wasn't a direct swipe at you but if the shoe fits! It was more of a general observation, I wasn't at the Shay but I was at a few games where people I know have shouted abuse at the players (Ferguson most notably) and Lowes. Only to be met with a similar reaction from Ferguson and Lowes (it shut them up) but then after the game played victim which really vexed me off.
I thought the 2015 team performed well throughout the season. 1 defeat in the first 19 games. When top 4 was secure and injuries set in we lost to Fev, Sheff (by 2) and Fax (by 4). Finished 2nd behind a quality Leigh side. When we got to the middle 8's we hammered Salford but struggled to maintain the intensity against SL sides due to not playing at that intensity week in week out. In all fairness the Widnes and Hull KR squad of that year were quality! Hull KR were CC runners up! Then we secured our place in £1mill match which rendered the Fax game a dead rubber (rested a lot of players).
Even in the £1million game we were within two points with 4 mins to go. Just was one of those games. All in all a quality season. Granted Lowes selection of Baile at hooker
Overall a very good assessment
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| Quote: el red " and Ferres has got off scott free.'"
He may have left but a lot of people put the failure down to him as well. He firstly bought a massive squad (some of which never even pulled on a Bulls shirt) Then this year,after saying we were going with a smaller squad, he did the same. And all this after being installed by the RFL as a safe pair of hands to guide MG who had no rugby knpowledge whatsoever. And it should be remembered that MG was given the Bulls at the 11th hour after the RFL bumped an approved scheme to take control of the Bulls by Moore, Calvert and Watt
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| Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "Not sure if I'm the same person you refer to - there were others near me shouting abuse. Lowes marched over to confront a guy who was indeed red faced - he then turned his attention to me and I gave him my opinion when he then threatened me. I'm not going to get into a debate about this (we have bigger things to worry about!) but I think the 2015 team underperformed massively due to his lack of coaching ability. His mate Karl Harrison's comments when he left the club spoke volumes about Lowes as a coach.'"
It wasn't a direct swipe at you but if the shoe fits! It was more of a general observation, I wasn't at the Shay but I was at a few games where people I know have shouted abuse at the players (Ferguson most notably) and Lowes. Only to be met with a similar reaction from Ferguson and Lowes (it shut them up) but then after the game played victim which really vexed me off.
I thought the 2015 team performed well throughout the season. 1 defeat in the first 19 games. When top 4 was secure and injuries set in we lost to Fev, Sheff (by 2) and Fax (by 4). Finished 2nd behind a quality Leigh side. When we got to the middle 8's we hammered Salford but struggled to maintain the intensity against SL sides due to not playing at that intensity week in week out. In all fairness the Widnes and Hull KR squad of that year were quality! Hull KR were CC runners up! Then we secured our place in £1mill match which rendered the Fax game a dead rubber (rested a lot of players).
Even in the £1million game we were within two points with 4 mins to go. Just was one of those games. All in all a quality season. Granted Lowes selection of Baile at hooker
We can argue about Lowes merits as a coach until the cows (or preferably the Bulls) come home. Personally I felt with the resources he had at his disposal we should have been more consistent - and arguably wouldn't be in our current predicament. At times the team in 2015 and 2016 loooked clueless. Yes I agree that Rohan has also has his difficulties - noticeably at Featherstone, but he hasn't had the time the Lowes was given to put things right yet.
The thing that Rohan does posess in abundance, and to me is essential for a modern day head coach, is an ability to stay calm and level headed, especially when dealing with the media and supporters. I had the good fortune to work within the professional game for a spell and was able to observe some of the top coaches at close quarters. None of them would have dreamed of getting involved in verbal skirmishes with fans at the end of a game, but simply shaken their heads and walked away. Lowes' hot headedness may have endeared him to some, and undoubtedly was an asset on the field of play, but in my opinion will always be his undoing as a head coach.
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| Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "Interesting that people these days like to play the victim without recognizing their actions and how that might have contributed to the situation.
And so he shouldn't. These players are getting paid a lot to play. They shouldn't need a arm around them, okay if they have played really well and been beaten then fair enough an arm around them, but at times we played poor. Lowes approach to not putting his arm around them is right, if players need that then maybe they are in the wrong profession. I know a lot of our bosses wouldn't be like this if we did our jobs poorly. Lowes main problem was that he acted more like a friend to the players, rather than a boss.'"
That's fair enough, in some ways BB, and I know RL isn't a game for 'shrinking violets', but that is really just the physical side of it, and, to be right, let's be honest, over the years there have been any number of really skillful players who never really 'fancied' getting too 'involved'.
Being a coach or manager [in any job] is as much about man management as it is about imparting knowledge. Man management, means getting the best out of your charges and treating them individually, in such a manner as to get them to give their best. You can't treat everyone alike, except in the sense that you treat all of them in the best way to get the best from them. Some people need a rocket up their backsides to get the best out of them, some need gentle encouragement, some may respond better to simply being told they've let you down, and, yes...some may well need an arm around their shoulder from time to time. It goes without saying that you also need a coach who knows the difference.
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| Quote: HamsterChops "I will continue to remember Jimmy as the best hooker I've ever seen in a Bradford shirt. I choose to pretend he never went into coaching.'"
We do the same thing with Karl Harrison
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