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| Quote MicktheGled="MicktheGled"For those that follow me on Twitter/Facebook will know that two weeks ago, I was at Derwent Park and the Recreation Ground with Sam Bridges (Proper Sport) testing the cameras ahead of the planned live stream.
I think it's important to point out that as a club and organisation, the Bradford Bulls and Proper Sport don't just turn up at these grounds unannounced.
I personally phoned Workington Town up - some eight days before our visit and explained what we would like to do - the response from Workington Town was that we were good to visit Derwent Park on the 28/3/18 for a ground site visit.
When myself and Proper Sport arrived at Derwent Park on 28/3/18, Workington Town welcomed us with open arms, one of their directors and a volunteer were present as the Workington chairman is a driving instructor and had a full diary, so couldn't meet us on our visit.
Once at Derwent Park we had numerous cups of tea, talked for over 90 minutes about the current state of Rugby League before we conducted our site visit. I would like to thank Workington for their generous hospitality.
Whilst we were on site it was communicated to myself and Proper Sport that the chairman was worried the coverage would be too pro-Bradford.
I showed the two memebers of staff from Workington the coverage from the York and Keighley games, and explained that we could get the chairman or coach/player to be part of the production - eg have them on the live during the broadcast to give the coverage a balanced view.
This was communicated back to the Workington chairman and we left Derwent Park with an agreement to stream the game with the chairman wanting to be filmed pitchside talking promoting all things Workington Town.
For whatever reason that I'm not privy to, Workington Town then changed their mind last week, four days before the game was scheduled to take place.
Yes, it's frustrating because myself and Proper Sport spent a full day with the camera equipment on the Cumbria peninsula, but ultimately Workington Town have the final say in the matter of who is allowed to stream/film games as per the 2018 RFL operational handbook.'"
When Mick Gledhill gives a sensible and reasoned response, but the chairman of the club comes across as a petulant child. The world has gone mental.
Is it Freaky Friday?
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| Quote Nothus="Nothus"Right at the top of this very page someone has explained how watching one of the streams led to them and their entire family going to the Keighley game, and you come out and say nobody is gaining anything?
How many more people like Bully Boxer saw one of the streamed games and decided to check out a match in person?
What is the % swing in terms of walk up support since we started streaming games?
Have we sold any season tickets since the streams began?
Unless you have access to this info then I don't see how you can call it a loss making exercise.
The expenditure is advertising, it's as simple as that. We advertise our product and if people like it, they get involved. How successful the advertising is will take time to determine.
But what is the alternative? Wait for the RFL to help this division out? Well they actually want to cut all funding to this division so yeah, that clearly isn't going to happen. We can tread water like the Workingtons of this division or we can experiment with something different like this.'"
With respect Nothus, that's mostly airy fairy nonesence.
Unless they have some kind of hard baked plan to make money from this (and I'm sort of assuming that someone must have) then giving away permanent free samples to folk who will then continue to expect it for free, certainly isn't my idea of a great money making scheme. If they can make it pay then fine, but I'd definitely like to see the business plan, since all we've seen so far (apart from free games) are costs.
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| Quote HamsterChops="HamsterChops"When Mick Gledhill gives a sensible and reasoned response, but the chairman of the club comes across as a petulant child. The world has gone mental.
Is it Freaky Friday?'"
give it a rest... you seem to hate Gledhill, that's your issue, some of us are thankful for his excellent commentary and passion for the Bulls - oh and he doesn't go round comparing current Bulls players to doggy dooo....
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"With respect Nothus, that's mostly airy fairy nonesence.
Unless they have some kind of hard baked plan to make money from this (and I'm sort of assuming that someone must have) then giving away permanent free samples to folk who will then continue to expect it for free, certainly isn't my idea of a great money making scheme. If they can make it pay then fine, but I'd definitely like to see the business plan, since all we've seen so far (apart from free games) are costs.'"
So clear evidence of the stream bringing in a lapsed supporter is nonsense?
Okay then 
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| Quote bullpower2014="bullpower2014"give it a rest... you seem to hate Gledhill, that's your issue, some of us are thankful for his excellent commentary and passion for the Bulls - oh and he doesn't go round comparing current Bulls players to doggy dooo....'"
You may have missed it, but I praised the fact he gave a sensible explanation and response (it's a far cry from the Mick Gledhill of years ago, who you may not remember as a regular poster on here). When praise is due, it's given. I've also given it numerous times in the past for his commentary, because it was due. It's a shame the chairman couldn't do the same that Mick did and take some time to think about his comments, then come across professional.
I wouldn't know if he compares players to dogsh*t as I haven't heard his commentary in quite a while, but as a commentator if someone is playing badly, I'd expect he'd acknowledge that (albeit in a professional manner that I don't need to adopt because I don't work for the club).
Equally, when praise is not due (for anyone), I'm happy to speak my opinion. If I think someone's an idiot or a poor player, I am more than happy to say so. Unlike many sycophants I see on social media (and a few on here) that daren't ever say a bad word in case the person who's backside they're kissing might not give them a selfie next time they're drooling over them in the Coral Stand.
But you carry on praising people who are quite terrible at their jobs, that makes far more sense.
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| Quote Bulliac="Bulliac"With respect Nothus, that's mostly airy fairy nonesence.
Unless they have some kind of hard baked plan to make money from this (and I'm sort of assuming that someone must have) then giving away permanent free samples to folk who will then continue to expect it for free, certainly isn't my idea of a great money making scheme. If they can make it pay then fine, but I'd definitely like to see the business plan, since all we've seen so far (apart from free games) are costs.'"
I think there's more to it than just doing it for the sake of it. Yes Toronto have the novelty factor but how many people have bought into it through streaming? I have family in the US watching the Bulls FB streams and actively promoting RL to their friends.
I know they aren't going to attend but building the brand back up from the laughing stock it became and selling the odd shirt along the way was really repairing the damage... that is until our normally inscrutable Chairman went full doylem on us.
'Sorry we can't stream this week, Workington have decided it may affect turn out from the local area and we respect that decision' should have been the response.
Its been refreshing these last months with other fans being generally positive about Bradford but now all the mentally challenged Wakey and Fax freaks are back foaming at the mouth blethering about big clubs, cutting cloth and all their other favourite cliches.
With the tinfoil firmly in place and seeing the glee in Koukash's tweets it makes you wonder who was behind the decision that led to such a spectacular bite from Chalmers.
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| Quote Scarey71="Scarey71"I think there's more to it than just doing it for the sake of it. Yes Toronto have the novelty factor but how many people have bought into it through streaming? I have family in the US watching the Bulls FB streams and actively promoting RL to their friends.
I know they aren't going to attend but building the brand back up from the laughing stock it became and selling the odd shirt along the way was really repairing the damage... that is until our normally inscrutable Chairman went full doylem on us.
'Sorry we can't stream this week, Workington have decided it may affect turn out from the local area and we respect that decision' should have been the response.
Its been refreshing these last months with other fans being generally positive about Bradford but now all the mentally challenged Wakey and Fax freaks are back foaming at the mouth blethering about big clubs, cutting cloth and all their other favourite cliches.
With the tinfoil firmly in place and seeing the glee in Koukash's tweets it makes you wonder who was behind the decision that led to such a spectacular bite from Chalmers.'"
Wasn't the crowd in the region of about 1300, with about 750 Bulls fans there anyway?
So the publicity didn't help them get a big crowd anyway. And they lost out on however many thousands who would have watched on stream too. Seems a pretty pointless spat really in hindsight.
The only highlight being I don't have to/can't watch a half-d Bulls performance and a disappointing loss online. Like I did last year.
Also, isn't Koukash looking at getting a dedicated Cumbrian team in SL with Workington, Whitehaven, Barrow et al all being feeder teams? Looks like suck-up publicity for his cause. I can't see his plan working either, what with the rival fans hating each other but (in his mind) getting together to support an area wide team with no real fanbase. He did such a good job with his last club too....
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| Quote HamsterChops="HamsterChops"You may have missed it, but I praised the fact he gave a sensible explanation and response (it's a far cry from the Mick Gledhill of years ago, who you may not remember as a regular poster on here). When praise is due, it's given. I've also given it numerous times in the past for his commentary, because it was due. It's a shame the chairman couldn't do the same that Mick did and take some time to think about his comments, then come across professional.
I wouldn't know if he compares players to dogsh*t as I haven't heard his commentary in quite a while, but as a commentator if someone is playing badly, I'd expect he'd acknowledge that (albeit in a professional manner that I don't need to adopt because I don't work for the club).
Equally, when praise is not due (for anyone), I'm happy to speak my opinion. If I think someone's an idiot or a poor player, I am more than happy to say so. Unlike many sycophants I see on social media (and a few on here) that daren't ever say a bad word in case the person who's backside they're kissing might not give them a selfie next time they're drooling over them in the Coral Stand.
But you carry on praising people who are quite terrible at their jobs, that makes far more sense.'"
You seem to have a lot to say, (some of it downright insulting and infantile). I get the impression from your posts you don`t actually attend matches, but listen to commentaries.
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| Quote Nothus="Nothus"So clear evidence of the stream bringing in a lapsed supporter is nonsense?
Okay then
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A whole ONE! That sounds like desperation, to be honest. The whole idea is a succes because one person claims to have been convinced, you couldn't make it up.
Let's be right, I hope it works, I really, really do as I want the club to be successful, but so far, to me, all the aims and aspirations for the idea that I've heard just seem to be wishy washy, pie in the sky and wishful thinking - typical adman's blurb. Sadly, you can't just believe something and it automatically happens, so I sincerely hope the people behind the scheme have something a bit more hard headed and better thought out behind it than what I've read in many posts so far.
I guess we'll see.
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| Quote HamsterChops="HamsterChops"You may have missed it, but I praised the fact he gave a sensible explanation and response (it's a far cry from the Mick Gledhill of years ago, who you may not remember as a regular poster on here). When praise is due, it's given. I've also given it numerous times in the past for his commentary, because it was due. It's a shame the chairman couldn't do the same that Mick did and take some time to think about his comments, then come across professional.
I wouldn't know if he compares players to dogsh*t as I haven't heard his commentary in quite a while, but as a commentator if someone is playing badly, I'd expect he'd acknowledge that (albeit in a professional manner that I don't need to adopt because I don't work for the club).
Equally, when praise is not due (for anyone), I'm happy to speak my opinion. If I think someone's an idiot or a poor player, I am more than happy to say so. Unlike many sycophants I see on social media (and a few on here) that daren't ever say a bad word in case the person who's backside they're kissing might not give them a selfie next time they're drooling over them in the Coral Stand.
But you carry on praising people who are quite terrible at their jobs, that makes far more sense.'"
It wasn't Gledhill who labelled a current Bulls player as doggy do - that's all you..... deflect all you want.....
I don't think Gledhill gets paid for commentating, maybe he does, but you are the only person who thinks he is bad at it... so he is far from terrible at his "job" as you state.
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| Quote bullpower2014="bullpower2014"It wasn't Gledhill who labelled a current Bulls player as doggy do - that's all you..... deflect all you want.....
I don't think Gledhill gets paid for commentating, maybe he does, but you are the only person who thinks he is bad at it... so he is far from terrible at his "job" as you state.'"
Nowhere have I said he is bad at commentary. Absolutely nowhere. Again, I'm not criticising him at all in the post you quoted. I am praising him and referring to how it's so much different to the way he used to be (which is a credit to him).
The reference to people being bad at their jobs was referring to your reminder of me suggesting that one of our hookers is dogsh*t. Which I believe he is. It wasn't a reference to Mick. It was also a reference to the "media manager" who is quite clearly in the job for reasons other than knowing the English language (I would guess he's cheap). Again, it wasn't aimed at Mick. I'll say it again in case it sinks in this time. IT WAS NOT A REFERENCE TO MICK.
If you're going to argue, I think you need to learn to read properly first.
I'll make it easy for you. I DO NOT THINK MICK IS BAD AT COMMENTATING.
Clear yet? Or do you need it in a larger font too?
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| Quote ifallwerelikemumby="ifallwerelikemumby"You seem to have a lot to say, (some of it downright insulting and infantile).'"
I do have a lot to say, because if I have an opinion, I'm not afraid to voice it, regardless of whether it is there to praise or criticise. I'm not going to praise something just to be nice. That way when I do praise things, it's genuine and not just said to make people feel better (which I couldn't care less about).
Quote ifallwerelikemumby="ifallwerelikemumby"I get the impression from your posts you don`t actually attend matches, but listen to commentaries.'"
Then impressions are not your strong suit.
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