Are fines built into RL contracts - like football ones? Ie , once fit, he refuses to come and make himself available to play, therefore every 2 weeks we fine him 2 weeks wages but keep hold of his registration so he cannot play for anyone else without compo being agreed?

The "making a player honour his contract" is a difficult hurdle to jump for me - especially when he's one of the star names / key to the side.

He'll come back very demotivated and negative and that would quickly spread through the dressing room.

Sh!te though it is - if he doesn't want to come back, then there's no point in making him IMO

If he's determined not to come back but isn't being honest with us then we should do what Warrington did with Iestyn! Make him train at 4am and keep him away from the rest of the squad. From what I hear he's a loner anyway so I doubt he'd be wanting to hang around with the rest of the players anyway.

However if we can get a replacement then I agree, we should cut our losses. That's the key. It's easier to be pragmatic when you can cut your losses and not take a massive hit. However if Orford's being dishonest and potentially ruining our chances in 2011 before they've even begun the club should cut his balls off (metaphorically speaking of course).

In reporting a conversation between Orford + management and Parramatta, it's been made clear Orford cannot join Parra as he has 2 years left of a deal with us.

I don't see the problem.

Would Orford prefer to stay at home? Probably.

Does he realise he has to come back and play for Bradford? Sounds like it to me.

I hope that's the case

Same here.

Has somebody at the club said that to you? Or just something you're saying.

Looks like he's referring to the article.

Matt Orford should loosen his collar and cuffs and get crazy with me on the streets of Lidget Green.

No, I was referring to the article wherein it it suggested a chat had taken place and the reason Orford could not join Parra was that he was contracted to us. That might mean he said, 'love to but can't' or ''the bulls want compo' and Parra refused.

The key point is that the outcome of the conversation is that he's got to return to Bradford. I simply don't buy this angle that if he returns he will not want to be here and will upset the dressing room. That just doesn't ring true, particularly given L'estrange and Hall (maybe) in the same team.

Guardian seems to think he is off to Canberra... www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... gby-league Bottom of article.

Guardian seems to think he is off to Canberra... www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/se ... gby-league Bottom of article.