I'm not sure Leeds will go down that far, if at all. Our much publicised poor start was down to the WCC, and without this distraction there is no reason we can start a lot better and finish higher, even maintaining the indifferent form we suffered most of last season. The ability to compete in big games, however, is where the challenge lies, and I'm not sure if the team have it in them to improve here, but I hope I'm wrong.

So Gurus_Beard with all your negativity did you get a season ticket!!!

Quit with the AP-isms already. JP & Sinfield would say that wouldn't they?



Balls. Neither would get in the Bulls side. Sure we have some decidedly average players in the side but I would venture it's the same at any club. There's a few at Leeds who wouldn't get in our first choice 17.



Not as well as we should have. But where have they finished in the table each year since he took over?

That's just been biased Bullseye. There is not one player in the Leeds first choice 17 that wouldn't walk into your side with absolute ease, and by any coach who was in position at the bulls.

You will see an improvement next year, that there will be no doubt. But all you really have is more depth. You are still full of average players, with just a couple of exceptions. You will still be in a battle for a top 8 spot, but I suspect you will achieve it next season, but with better performances throughout.

Please god tell me you're joking here. If not, would you please list what you consider the Leeds first choice 17? Presumably you've signed some players I wasn't aware of.

Maybe so, but he talks more sense than most on here.

So Ian Kirke would "walk into the Bulls side with absolute ease".

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

He may be as good as some outside our first choice, but there's no way he's better than our current 1st choice backrow.



Nowhere, nowhere at all have I said that the Bulls will overtake Leeds. However I do think we will improve on our finish this year. It won't take much. In fact I reckon we'll finish 8th with our current squad. If we sign some halfbacks then 6th isn't out of the question.

Leeds I think will not finish higher than 4th and may well struggle to get that high IMO.

.......and breath!

I don't think anyone with any credibility on here is predicting a return to the golden years for the Bulls just yet. But don't let me stop you exagerating!

As for a Leeds slide. It's already happening. Check out where Leeds finished this year and how they played in comparison with 07, 08 and 09.

As for your last paragraph, just because a bloke was a Bulls legend and has a personality doesn't make him a great coach. Otherwise why not recruit Robbie Paul or James Lowes? The record counts. Potter's achieved more in his career than McDermott has so far.

Sorry, but how many times was Worrincey playing for you last year?

Kirke is a 3 times winning GF player. How many of the bulls players can say that again? Kirke would walk into your side with ease.




Personally, I originally thought Leeds would struggle to make 6th. But now we have made some required changes, such as releasing Diskin who was hampering our play, and we have the impetus of a new coach. We won't be challenging for honours that's for sure, but 4th is back on the agenda for us.

You might well get 6th, but and I repeat, you will be challenging for 8th spot. I am sure it will be pretty close down there from 6th to 12th. And that is the group you will be in with the quality of players you have. You could just as easily finish 12th as finish 6th, which is why I said 8th. However, regardless of finishing position, I am sure your side will put in far better performances this year than last.

We're talking CURRENT team. With the CURRENT team, Worrincy is nowhere near first choice.

At least if you're going to make an argument, get your facts right.

I can't believe you say Kirke would walk into the Bulls current side and yet you have the audacity to accuse someone else of bias!

I applaud your optimisim but I think you are getting a bit carried away with it.

If i were you I'd try and be a bit more sensible in my predictions for the upcoming season or people might start thinking you are a bit of a joker.

Well done for picking the only one that wouldn't

So which back rowers in the bulls squad are you believing to be better than Kirke. Remember I am talking first choice 17 here. I can only think of Langley that would be a choice better than Kirke in the backrow, so enlighten me.

whitehead and elima would comfortably get in 17 ahead of kirke. they both blow him away in pretty much every stat. hth.