I hope those were rhetorical questions!

All I know is after about a decade of free-fall, City finally got themselves on stable ground financially*, found a manager that gave them a footballing foothold and have done well last season, pre-Parkinson City were flirting with the oblivion of non-league football for two seasons. This is their on-going progress of rebuilding from numerous administrations. We're at that stage now, there are problems and will probably be more, yet some seem gleeful to stick the boot in.

(* or so we're told, as stable as a football club at level can be I imagine)

Dare I say you seem knowledgable of those involved at Bradford, so at least have some interest in the club. As a fan or not of t'Bulls, what do you think is on store for us in the forseeable?

Thereby in one post confirming yourself as both a nasty piece of work, and as a reincarnation of the previous troll you used to be.

Careful, your agenda is showing. FYI he wasn't sold a pup, he was sold the mighty, famous and historic Bradford rugby league club. In comparison to which, trolling amoeba such as yourself are of zero significance.


Yes. It was.


Perhaps i don't, but being lazy, just enlighten me, in quick bullet points, what you think are the main things of relevance that i would learn, if I did somehow "take a closer look" at this "relationship".?


What a stupid analysis. You seem to be an economic ignoramus. With respect etc.


OK Bulls Limited is a long time funder of Gerry Sutcliffe? That's a new one on me. No doubt you will be able to provide some evidence of this arrangement, though as OKBL has only existed a year I don't see how it could long time, and I can tell you before you bluff your answer, for a fact, that OKBL has never paid a penny to fund GSMP.


Now you are shifting the goalposts. But at the same time, he can't win. If he reveals that he is putting more money in, he is damned. If he doesn't reveal he is putting more money, why, he's damned too for secrecy and not being open with the fans. To me, the announcement that OK was arranging to make another 900K available toi the club served a number of purposes, one being to provide public reassurance and confidence. But if you want to believe all he was doing was bigging himself up, go right ahead.


Except that that's just plain wrong. So do you have an actual example? You know, one that is, er, "correct"? No? Didn't think so.


There you go again, getting all carried away. City (who had a great season) scraped the last promotion spot in the playoffs, to finally escape from the 4th division to the 3rd. That's all. I applaud them and I am pleased fro them but we play in the premier division of our sport not somewhere down in the lower leagues. It is an achievement, but escaping teh bottom division after many years of failure is not the "success" you suggest. the only additional factor last year was City's prominence due to their Cup run. They seem to have decided to reduce their prominence this season as they are already out of 2 cups.


Never! You don't say?! Well, I'm glad I was sitting down. An astonsihing insight. Has this ever happened before anywhere?

Of course, it is an irrelevance. It would only be relevant if the Bradford fans were like ball bearings on a tray, and would all roll from the City end to the Bulls end, or vice versa, depending which was higher. Actually, while tere is some overlap, it really doesn't work like that. If both teams were doing well then both teams would get good crowds. And in the past, have.

Eh? It was a light hearted comment on how even the most seemingly level headed & knowledgeable Bulls fan may well be feeling with the revelations continuing to emerge after the disaster of Hood et al.

Biffa, I've quite enjoyed you but you're beginning to stretch it. For example,

"Vipin Joshi is also a director. Check out the Bradford regeneration organisation Khan, Greenwood & joshi are linked to. Got millions of Bradford Council money & is under investigation".

Which organisation?
In what way are the people you refer to linked to it?
How many 'millions' of Bradford Council money did they get?
Who is investigating?
What is being investigated?

Yours is an interesting thesis but I'm afraid it requires a tad more evidence than your offering. There can hardly be an adult in the country who doesn't have links to a club, charity, workplace where an investigation of some kind has taken place.

I genuinely have no interest in the Bulls, but do wish them to survive & prosper. They have some great fans who are going through thin times.

What does concern me is that the mob now in control are, in my opinion as bad as, if not worse than the last lot.
A closed, secretive little clique who have no intention of being open & honest with the supporters they expect to sustain their business.

The disdain they are showing towards fans will come back to bite them very badly. Sutcliffe is a politician. Politicians by nature are liars, deceitful & evasive, appealing only to their core demographic to keep their jobs.
This is not the road to go down for the Bulls, in my opinion.

The Bulls need to have city wide, fresh, untainted appeal. Instead they have a politically incestuous, less than open & honest bunch with a patriarchal egomaniac at the head of it all.

Sutcliffe's boasts about investment from Qatar have come to zero. Jay Willey didn't seem to be around long. Kate Hardcastle hasn't uttered a word for a long time. This talk of a 14 person board is laughable.

I see the Bulls being outside of the top 6-8 clubs for quite some time to come.

But it's all we had. Come 1st September 2012, Guilfoyle was going to liquidate the club so he didn't have to find money for that month's wages.

I don't know these, I didn't know the last board, I see them both as suits at the top table. I believe what the current board say in the same way the I believed what the last did. Not because I'm gullible, but because that's all there is and in a way that doesn't matter to the majority of fans, most won't 'care' to find the difference between the truth and what we're told, they want the club to do well and are happy with the frontage, the facade, the spoonfed nature.

I could tell you a pack of lies and you may believe it, because you'd know no different. The context is almost irrelevant. It's a bit random but it's probably best how to explain it IMO.

... and also, you could see why it was construed as trolling. Like gutterfax you say you have no interest in Bradford and yet are very vocal in the negative aspect of the thread.

Do some research into Bradford Trident, what it was about, who was behind it, who earned from it, what it actually achieved etc etc.

Let me be quite clear, I have nothing against the Bulls team or it's supporters. I think they are being led a merry dance by a bunch of shysters.

It's clear what you think, what isn't clear is why you think it. I asked a few basic questions and I get given an open ended research project.

How are we being led a merry dance by shysters? I pay for my ticket and up until now I've been allowed into the stadium and there's been a game on. The shirt I paid for is in the cupboard.

There are issues with the club but the context is that the club were losing 100k a month when they were receiving the full amount from Sky. There was a long drawn out process of administration and OK bought the club, maintained its SL status, fulfilled the fixtures, retained SL status and is now signing decent level players. If he makes the price of an onion bhaji out of it I'd be surprised but if he does, good luck to him. Nothing you've presented on here supports your view he or Sutcliffe (who's been around for years) are engaged in multiple conspiracies to defraud BMDC, Bradford Trident and/or the collective Bulls supporter.

Nope it shows you being careless. Since Adeybull hasn't been around during the currency of your present incarnation on the forum, yet you said "even he". A newbie with 40 posts wouldn't know Adeybull from Adam. Oops! You need to be more careful.


Haha you mean you just can't handle it.

I've pointed you in the direction of where to look. Whether or not you choose to is up to you.

Khan didn't maintain the clubs SL status. The RFL did. It had to otherwise it's £1m+ purchase of the Odsal lease would yield no return & have to be sold.

Similarly the RFL took the same action when it came to renewing for 2014, this despite it knowing of the unpaid tax bill & cash flow problems. SL status was never under threat.

How much is it losing a month for it not to be able to pay wages & tax bills on time without Khan proclaiming his recent investment?

Has anything actually changed?

Conspiracies to defraud? Your words, not mine.

Careless? What is careless about reading posts on a forum on a website? I don't know Adeybull from Adam, that is true. Since when does reading his or anyone else's posts require membership or to have posted?

Silly boy.