In which case why are you firing out a stream of negatives? I quite like what Jimmybull just said - isn't that a more reasoned approach? As I said, on this I'm afraid IMO you ARE coming across that way. Surely the T&A site is the place you should be doing that?

Withers!!!!!

Good one, forgot about him.

I'd never heard of Hape, I thought Vainikolo was superb, I thought Harris was superb and I'd never heard of Henderson

I'm not firing anything out Adey, I'm commenting on the players signed as I find them, do you wish for me to say 'oh I think they are brilliant players', even though I dont think they are, and I dont think they ever will be?

Well IMO, I think some people are badly misjudging the ability of the players we have signed and are being to positive and getting to excited, but it's OK to do that, same as it's fine for me to feel negative and down hearted about the players we have signed.

IMO they are a bunch of average journeymen that will not improve the quality of our team, and I'm expecting a dissapointing season in 2010, on par if not as dissapointing as the current.

Just as I see things I'm afraid.

Ben Harris...Rugby League's slowest centre.

Would've struggled to outrun my Grandma

Ben wasn't blessed with pace, but he's a damn site better than any centre we have at the club currently. I'd have him back in a heart beat. The lad is genuine quality.

And what I wouldn't give to have him back

So does this fella

I'd hate for it to get like that again on here.

But don't get me wrong...opinions are fine and anyone's right to express, and at least we are hearing a range of views on this subject. I've insufficient knowledge of any of them to be able to comment objectively, which is why its interesting to see the different POV. I just called your running thread of comments the way I saw it. Hopefully next season (assuming of course we sign Kearney!) you'll be able to come on here and say that your pessimism was overdone and that you could not be more pleased!

I would have him back too. IMO another Scott Naylor, both of whose defensive efforts tended to be under-rated in many peoples' eyes wouldn't you say?

One thing most people are forgetting is that it's not necessarily the players ability's that are in question, more the abilities of our present Coaching staff to use them properly and bring out the best in them. Our present Coaching set-up still has to prove itself and I think most on would agree that changes are needed here if we are to improve....

Most definatley, I don't think people under rated his defensive, I just think that some people don't appreciate that quality in players. I think his attack was under rated, he ran straight, direct and hard, and he definatley had the pace to finish from distance despite what some people seem to think.

The symptoms are plain for all to see - the league table does not lie. Many if not most on here have already decided what the cause is. Maybe they are right. For my part, I always live in fear of attacking the symptoms and not the causes. So as with anything else, I'd feel a bit happier having more background as to what has really been going on and what (if any) other issues may (or may not) have impinged on this crapathon of a season before finally attributing all the blame - and maybe sending for the axe.

Personally a more experienced assistant and a fresh approach on the fitness/conditioning. Quite a few players look like they spend too much time on the weights and not enough on cardio. Fresh ideas and tactics and a proper use of rotation, not just the bench but the squad as a whole and we may just see some inprovements. But what do I know?