Thanks; have heard him on several Northern YouTube commentaries and think he is very good. He explains moves and tactics and has great accent. As in " Ull ".

Watching that video of the game couldn't help thinking if we had Len Casey(Also Hull KR favourite and hard man) and Alan Rathbone playing, plus no doubt a couple others, I wonder if it would of been a different game

Also wonder how a hard as nails Jeff Grayshon would go on in today's game

I'm a Bradford fan and as I said earlier in this post, I was there that day, but one thing I have allways said about players of yester year, paul rose and Phil Lowe would have Deffo been at home in today's game 100% no doubt

Oh yes I agree. But the game is too soft now for real hard men. If you look through all teams now you can't think there is any real hard men, like Casey, Grayshon, Thompson, which makes the game poorer in my opinion

This game came up in conversation a few week ago. I played with the late Dean Carroll and Northerns unused sub from this game, Kevin Morgan, in the early 90s at West Bowling and became good friends with them both. As a centre to play outside these 2 was a dream, scored lots of tries without finger laid on me

Also I mentioned Kevin Morgan told me at half time the Northern directors told Grayshon to bring the team off if anymore sendings off. To which they later said they knew nothing about it

What great players they were.None of them knew what a backward step was and all loved playing for Sir Peter of Fox.Jeff had a heart attack a couple of years back but happily is still with us albeit with a couple of dodgy knees.Talking of old players I see Ian Van Bellan suffered a stroke a couple of weeks back and is in hospital.Im sure we all wish him a speedy recovery.

Jeff had a bit of pace in his early years and developed from a running second row into a super ball-handling prop as the years went by. His ability, in his latter years, of off loading whilst he had three or four men swinging at him and hanginig off his neck, AND still walking forward, was just amazing.

I've no doubts - Jeff would have been top class in any era, and with full time training and not spending every day on a building site he'd have been even better.

Yes agreed.

Watching the walk off game reminded me that Harkin could be a dirty little get, although a brilliant player, especially when he came back to us in the late 80s

Didn't we get Casey by letting Harkin go the other way?

When he was on song he was one of the best scrum halves around. He'd have had a field day with the 40-20 rule.

On the walk off game I was staggered by some of the foul play that went unpunished. I'd forgotten how much was simply "part of the game" back then.

The incident where I think it was Carroll who was fouled and there was a resultant set to between the HKR aggressor and a Northern forward resulted in a penalty to HKR. That would never happen now. You could see why players too matters into their own hands.

No need for real hardmen nowadays and in some ways that's not a bad thing. I remember creative players being targeted by the thugs and there being lots of deliberate high shots and broken jaws. Those days are thankfully gone.

Yes correct about Harkin / Casey deal

Talking of hard men being able to get away with it, have a look on you tube and search for Mark Broadhurst fight and it’s a video called big hit. It was during their tour of the uk and they played us, Wally Lewis was niggling all night and Big Mark had had enough and just leathers him. The ref’s reaction (think it was Fred Lindop) is just to tell Lewis to get up. Sky commentators now would be having kittens over that one.

There's a video of Broadhurst flattening someone in a HKR versus Queensland game when they toured here. He flattens some unsuspecting forward not Lewis.

It's a cracker of a punch. The reaction from the lad in the crowd is funny.

I was there at the Queensland game and they really were 'mucking out' and Rovers were very much on the end of it. Why they were playing like that I don't know because they had such a talented side but it was a cold miserable drizzly day in November I think. It was at a play the ball when Broadhurst laid out their hooker whose name escapes me . Broadhurst had done a fair bit of boxing and it was a great punch. There was a huge cheer and everyone in the best stand was on their feet. I think the ref was Whitfield it wasn't Fred and he daren't send Broady off. Rovers won 6 - 3 (or something similar) Mike Smith scored the try. I went with a mate who was a big FC supporter and was hoping to see us stuffed lol.

Yeah thats the one, I always thought it was Lewis he punched. He had been pushed and pushed up til that point.

I was at the Northern walk off match, was a bit young (13) to have much of a memory of it but I'm sure we came out of it worse after the RFL had had their input.