You talk about repetitve? You are right because you still keep harping on about his failure to sign Mogg, Shenton and Bird not being his fault. THAT IS AS MAY BE (even if I did actually take comfort in the point) but the fact still remains that there is little signs whatsoever that improvement is getting made anywhere on the pitch which, despite his long arduous treks to Cumbria, is ultimately where he will be judged.

In fact, I could even suggest that he spent less time in the car and more on the training pitch addressing our obvious problems but you would no doubt find some other way to make an excuse for him.

Finally, I agree that it is not unsurprising that his signings have had less of a success rate than that of his predecessors. That is because, ultimately, not many of them have been very good. Again, it is ok that you can go on about the failure to land players and his wonderful youth policy but this is somewhat contradicted by the fact that young Halley has never been given the chance behind the mighty McAvoy and now Sheriffe/Platt and whilst he is scoring tries for fun at Wakefield, we are scoring not a lot.

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All I can see and hear when I try to read your posts now, thanks to AF, is rlthis!rlicon_lol.gif

Halley's had his chances, you're rewriting history there. If he was a McNamara signing I have no doubt you'd be decrying him as another that is not good enough.

I think we've established now that you refuse to consider context, refuse to look beyond results in the short term, refuse to consider the fact that the two clubs that have kept a settled squad supplimented by quality academy products (oh, and one Man of Steel shortlister a piece courtesy of us) have been head and shoulders above all the rest during McNamara's reign. No one's got closer than we did in 2007 and no one's particularly more consistent. People still gnash their teeth over our play-off exit to Wigan by a single point that year - Catalans followed up their third place finish by conceding fifty to them. People are quoting Cas and Quins as examples of what can be done, but did you check their boards last year? There were the exact same moans as on here about how clueless the players, the same mistakes made over and over again...

It boils down to this. It's not as bad as you make out, and there is no short-cut to success in any case (Bird could have been it, but sh.t happens). We're not particularly well off, we're no longer particuarly well supported, I'm hoping that Hood et al show particularly large balls, face down the mob and see the plan through. That's the only realistic way I can see Bradford becoming exceptional again.

In fact, hit rlthis siterl and point out the one club whose results you wish we had since Nobby left, Leeds and Saints apart.

Catalans? Like I said, lay down and died at home to Wigan and in the cup final at Wembley, and failed to maintain a real challenge for a top two spot despite Leeds wobbling. Now that may seem harsh, but if Bradford side had replicated those exact results over the past four years... if a Bradford side had started this season with a home thrashing by Huddersfield...

Go on, I dare you. Who has had a good set of results since 2006?

So McNamara has tenure... Looks like ME and co will be stuck with him for a while yet

I know where you're coming from Andy because I've said plenty to that effect myself.

However there's no getting away from the fact that since 2006 performances and results have got worse. I know we're going through a major transition and it was always going to be tough but after a while people will want to see some light at the end of the tunnel.

If the strategy is to sacrifice the present for long term benefit you have to be careful you don't go too far or by the time it bears fruit there's nobody watching anymore, no money left and you can't hang onto the young players you've been nurturing. You need to find a balance.

At the moment some people think things are alright others think we're still on a downward path. Just a sign that better times are around the corner would satisfy me and maybe some others. If that's seeing a few juniors show some positive signs for the first team or us show some improvement to our defence around the ruck I'd be happy. Others may want to see more. 2009 really is make or break for McNamara and the "long term" policy or there won't be any fans left to see it come about.

I think a lot of people on here fear that we won't see any of that if the opening games are anything to go by. I realise only 2 games have been played and there's plenty of time left but frustrations are building.

Indeed. If things carry on slipping there is no guarantee Bradford will continue to get SL franchises - admittedly things will have to get a lot worse though.

That said it is still early days on the field and I have a feeling things will improve soon.

d:REAM for entrance music then?

I think the "Enter Sandman" that they use now is quite apt. Some of our attacking play is so predictable it sends you to sleep

One thing though Sam - attendances and on-field performance don't seem to show athat great a correlation. CF 2004, 2007 - both decent years in terms of how the team played but both seeing a drop off in support.

2004 - after the Lord Mayor's Show. 2003 was simply the best ever and would've been hard to follow.

2007 - The worst summer weather on record had a bit to do with it.

For the most part across RL you tend to get more fans when you're successful.

Being of the generally positive pursuation, I've been backing McNamara and espeically the long term plan to bring through another generation of young stars, as i dont really see the point of sacking him in the final year of his contract for little guarenteed improvement. So I agree with most of your sentiments af. However, where I have a problem is why does all the long term solutions need to be so tightly pinned to Mcnamara?

Could the "club, Hood et al" rather than just the coach not be the driving force to reinvent itself? Such that if we replace the head coach for whatever reason with a suitably qualifed and respected replacement (insert name here) that the new regime can continue any good work whilst attempting to rectify any percieved failings on the pitch. So the kids and stars like Burgess stay and the community programs and Cumbria scouting continue, irrespective of the head coach as the "Bradford Club" has good long term plans not just the coach.

I'd hate to think our entire long term future if dependant upon McNamara alone, if he ends up being very successful (stay with me ME and others ) then he could up sticks and take a better club opportunity, what then for the long term planning?

But generally I wouldnt advocate sacking McNamara this year unless an absolute collapse of form and lack of wins occurs, which you cant forecast from a disjointed start to the year IMHO (we look rusty from not playing decent opposition in pre season if you ask me, some of the attacking failings in the first two games are what i would expect in preseason) where with a bit more luck and intellegent rugby we'd have won at least one out of two against two well organised and determined teams.

It all feels a bit cr@p at the mo, but I agree that its not as bad as some make out.....yet (ask me again after we play Nobles mob)

Is that the 2007 where we only won 3 of our last 9 matches.

After the successful Leeds side of 99 fell apart it took them five years before they won anything again. Taking out that 99 Challenge Cup Leeds were "in transition" for over 30 years.

Can we expect the green shoots of recovery to show this season? I'd hope it's not going to take us much longer. There was a 17 year gap between us winning major trophies 1980-1997 and 30 year gap 1949-1979. That's almost Leeds-esque