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| Nigel doesn't do communication with us plebs. I suspect we are going to be run as a permanent championship club but to come out and acknowledge that publicly would lose those supporters that kid themselves that we still have aspirations. The SL application was made because we had to seen to be making it.
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| Some good points being made here. There does feel to be a lack of direction and leadership atm. Presumably there is some kind of plan, but its a well kept secret.
I went to Dewsbury for the few games last year and was made to feel very welcome. Ive no problem with them at all, and indeed Im grateful for what they've done, However, its a bit of a trek for a lot of people, and at the end of the day we should be in Bradford. Which brings us to Odsal.
Chalmers took us out of there, due to, he said {yeah I know} to exorbitant costs. So whats significantly changed? Are the Stock Cars paying half {or more} of the rent, maintenance, rates etc? Are the council and RFL investing anything at all? It may all be hunky dory but it would be reassuring to hear some details.
Who leads the club? Mark Sawyer is CEO and seems a sound guy, but he is only temporary and is, understandably, keen to return full time to Dewsbury. Since the departure of Eric Perez, there has been no Chairman. Nigel Wood would appear to be calling the shots but has no official role and rarely says anything in public.
Bradford Bulls 2017 have two directors and a company secretary. BBBBB Ltd have the same two directors and a different company secretary. They also have 10 shareholders, mainly the Wood and Sawyer families, plus Adam Fogerty and a chap called Graham Swain. Nobody though, jumps out as a leader and visionary.
Its not unusual for us to be at a crossroads, we've spent more time there than Meg Richardson {one for the kids}, but this year really does seem that way for a lot of us.
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| After reading the last few pages its hard not to feel dispirited. I've got kids that I thought I would have taken to a match by now, I haven't and there are other reasons for that. If I was to take them to a game, it would probably be at Leeds now (and going back 5,10,15 years I cannot imagine saying that)
If the club is being run in safe mode with zero aspiration to be in Super League then it sounds to me like Bradford needs a new club in Wimbledon/FC United of Manchester/Salford City type guise
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| Quote: Scarey71 "This feels like the last season for me.
Paid more for a family season ticket than I would have at St Helen's to sit in a hole, watching a mid table team still living off past glories with about as much chance of getting back to the promised land as Vic Rangers...'"
And Vic Rangers are no longer, didn't know prices were higher than top SL clubs!
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| Quote: HG Bull "After reading the last few pages its hard not to feel dispirited. I've got kids that I thought I would have taken to a match by now, I haven't and there are other reasons for that. If I was to take them to a game, it would probably be at Leeds now (and going back 5,10,15 years I cannot imagine saying that)
If the club is being run in safe mode with zero aspiration to be in Super League then it sounds to me like Bradford needs a new club in Wimbledon/FC United of Manchester/Salford City type guise'"
I could really get behind the club if I genuinely thought they were aspiring to improve. I look at York and see a happy, open, vibrant, professional, forward thinking setup that is making genuine progress on and off the field. They're making friends across the game. That could be us (it was in 1995-96). Whenever we appear to make progress we make a backward step, always because of the incompetent owners.
Now Nigel is more or less officially in charge we have a really divisive figure pulling the strings who provokes very strong opinions (99% negative) across the sport. He's done nothing to engage with Bulls supporters many of whom I suspect are suspicious of how deeply he was involved in the sale of the Odsal lease in 2012 that brought the club down, the selection of potential new owners in 2013, 2015 and 2017 and how he has now become owner himself. That whole period is very murky. We're now expected to "move on" and anyone that criticises gets both barrels - remember the recent press releases and comments from Eric Perez?
Can you imagine if that had happened to a premier league football team - the chairman of the sport's governing body is involved with the transfer of lease of e.g. Old Trafford to the governing body - then is able to have decide who is to take over the reins at MUFC before giving the ok to a close personal friend who then hands it over to him. The press would have a field day.
I can empathise with the issue of taking your kids to the match. I've thought of taking relations and friends along but have baulked at it because of the state of the place.
I'm glad it's getting a lick of paint but it's not a sustainable future to play there and that worries me.
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| I really don't think comparisons with York are fair. The club has benefactors and the council have just built them a stadium. How are we supposed to compare with that? Our council doesn't have two pennies to rub together and any previous attempts to provide a better future for this club were thwarted by others looking out for their own interests.
Odsal has been nothing but a curse since the very day it was built. It might look unique but any substantial improvements to the ground are either impossible or incredibly expensive because of where and how it was built.
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| Quote: Nothus "I really don't think comparisons with York are fair. The club has benefactors and the council have just built them a stadium. How are we supposed to compare with that? Our council doesn't have two pennies to rub together and any previous attempts to provide a better future for this club were thwarted by others looking out for their own interests.
Odsal has been nothing but a curse since the very day it was built. It might look unique but any substantial improvements to the ground are either impossible or incredibly expensive because of where and how it was built.'"
I take the point about York - maybe it's the attitude they have - possibly helped by all the good news they've had about the ground - but they're really positive. Whereas we might have a forum once a blue moon for season ticket holders only - that Nigel won't be at - and one of his flunkies will take the questions, and they'll have a go at anyone who's not lapping up everything they say (Perez).
Odsal has been a curse when you think about it. There have been so many pipe dreams about developing it. We should've moved to Avenue when we had the chance.
If I scoop a huge Euromillions jackpot I'll build us a decent ground with a nice statue of Trevor out at the front.
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| Now, why would a rugby club be asking for concourse bar staff for alternative weekends...?
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| Quote: Fr13daY "Now, why would a rugby club be asking for concourse bar staff for alternative weekends...?
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Hmm i wonder haha
- Id imagine its the same reason the stock car promoters couldnt plan in their event dates until our fixtures were confimed.
- Probably the same reason that the Bulls, RFL, and stock car promoters
have been having having weekly meetings regarding ground re developments.
- Probably the same reasons the Bulls have been contributing financially towards the cost of said ground redevelopments.
Baffles me why there has been little formal comms from the club regarding whats been going on and why all the info is coming from the stock car side of things.
Even in the press release from Big Nige he says the aim is to get the club back to odsal. Well if that hasnt already been agreed and signed off on, why have the points mentioned above all been happening already?
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| The club is crap at communicating?
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| Eventually someone will organise a Fan's Forum, and I hope enough people ask some very probing questions when it happens.
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| Back when we could meet indoors fans forums seemed only to be open to season ticket holders. The way they're going they'll be able to hold them in Nigel's office before long.
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| Just seen Gledhills latest photo of Odsal and it doesn't look too bad. Or maybe todays sun had gone to my head!
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| Yes the pitch looks good. Startrax have put out some pics showing the barriers have been painted too which is nice. Wonder if the loos on the popular side have had any kind of renovation? Hope so as they were in dire need back in 2019. Then there's the Touchdown bar which can't be safe can it? Apparently the floodlights are on the the list of things to sort out so we might be able to see what's going on when it gets dark for the first time since 2015.
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| Quote: Bullseye "Yes the pitch looks good. Startrax have put out some pics showing the barriers have been painted too which is nice. Wonder if the loos on the popular side have had any kind of renovation? Hope so as they were in dire need back in 2019. Then there's the Touchdown bar which can't be safe can it? Apparently the floodlights are on the the list of things to sort out so we might be able to see what's going on when it gets dark for the first time since 2015.'"
Not sure on the toilets.
Touchdown bar is getting renovated, currently has scaffolding up on the front.
The boxes on the popular side are all getting removed.
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