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One thing which is mystifying me prior to the Featherstone game there wasn't any inkling of any of this drama. Would we be having this conversation if we had beat Featherstone.

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I think the prize money is significantly less if your not in the top 4. I wonder if that was the final nail.

I wonder if the club never considered finishing outside the top 4. If you would have mentioned it at the start of the season that we would finish 5th, most fans would have laughed at the idea.

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Quote: redeverready "One thing which is mystifying me prior to the Featherstone game there wasn't any inkling of any of this drama. Would we be having this conversation if we had beat Featherstone.'"


Exactly. That's what I can't wrap my head around either. We're still on the 15/16 central funding, we've had decent crowds this season, probably sold more than anticipated for the Fev game, so how has the cash run out now? It doesn't make sense.

The [ionly[/i thing that might explain it is this VAT thing. Perhaps somebody has messed up with the vat implications of something, and we now owe way more tax than Marc budgeted for.

Quote: redeverready "I think the prize money is significantly less if your not in the top 4. I wonder if that was the final nail.

I wonder if the club never considered finishing outside the top 4. If you would have mentioned it at the start of the season that we would finish 5th, most fans would have laughed at the idea.'"


That is next year's funding though. It has no effect on current cashflows.

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Quote: redeverready "One thing which is mystifying me prior to the Featherstone game there wasn't any inkling of any of this drama. Would we be having this conversation if we had beat Featherstone.'"

Featherstone were sailing close to the wind and now they have a windfall game against Leeds. That on it's own had probably paid the players and bills for a few months and kept the Wolves from the door.
I wouldn't expect anyone at the club to expose how cash poor we could possibly have been prior to the Featherstone game on the basis if we had won we would have got the home tie v Leeds and a pretty decent windfall and probably sky TV money to boot. There would be no doubt ticket sales would have been paying this moths wages if we had beaten Featherstone.
The line between success and failure is very narrow these days. If we have to go part time to exist it's a no brainer as recent talk makes me lose love with this game.

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Quote: Nothus "That is next year's funding though. It has no effect on current cashflows.'"


As someone had stated on the lease thread, it appears that the current situation has made Mark decide what he now intends to do with the club.

Knowing that it would be a monumental struggle next year, it is possible that he has decided that now is the best time to run.

What isn't making sense for me is that there are still press releases from green stating that it's still business add usual. If he was just jumping the sinking ship, I wouldn't have expected any comments over the past few days.

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Earlier twitter conversation between Caro & Mathers seems to confirm the lack of pay. Jokes about how they're starving and phone will probably get cut off soon.

Think it may have been removed now though as I can't find it again.


If this was the first time this had happened, I think I'd be more confident we could get through it. Unfortunately our history makes our fans feel differently. If I remember right, wasn't the players not getting paid usually the first step towards the lack of money and future admin?

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Reading the T&a it sounds like Green doesn't have the money.

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Greens back from ibiza this afternoon so situation might become a bit clearer.

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Quote: Bull Mania "Reading the T&a it sounds like Green doesn't have the money.'"


Indeed. If we had the money why wouldn't we pay the staff?
Also, if we can't pay now at the peak of the season, exactly how is he planning on paying people through November and December in the off season?

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Quote: mat "Greens back from ibiza this afternoon so situation might become a bit clearer.'"


You'd hope so mat. But experience tells me not to hold my breath waiting for clarity when it comes to the Bulls.

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Quote: Duckman "Indeed. If we had the money why wouldn't we pay the staff?
Also, if we can't pay now at the peak of the season, exactly how is he planning on paying people through November and December in the off season?'"


under normal circumstances I'd have thought november/december would be easier months to find money as club would have season ticket money coming in plus sponsorship money. Cant see many people being in a rush to renew sesaon tickets with all uncertainty though. Would think most would pay on gate or wait til last minute to get tickets this year.

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Quote: mat "under normal circumstances I'd have thought november/december would be easier months to find money as club would have season ticket money coming in plus sponsorship money. Cant see many people being in a rush to renew sesaon tickets with all uncertainty though. Would think most would pay on gate or wait til last minute to get tickets this year.'"

The catch 22 situation. We need the money in to continue but people are worried about buying a ticket incase the club goes under. Regardless of where the Bulls actually are financially the noises in the press will make many think twice before handing any money over.

There is nothing we can do, unless one of us wins the lottery.

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I am afraid confidence in Mr Green's stewardship of our club has hit rock bottom. Only the foolhardy would now part with their money for a season ticket and there won't be many.
Administration is upon us again. I just hope there is a plan and a buyer is waiting in the wings.

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Strange. People kept saying what a great job he was doing running the business. Just smoke, mirrors and conga lines?

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Everyone is jumping to conclusions. Maybe there is a perfectly logical explanation, maybe Marc went on holiday with the bank card or something.

I'm sure there is nothing to worry about....
Honest....

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