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| Quote: ifallwerelikemumby "Sorry it`s a harsh world where sentiment is set aside, you don`t pay someone more than they are worth to the team. That`s a recipe for what happened a year back.'"
Sorry as I am to see Langers leave I have to agree with that.
I suspect all pro sports people are only too well aware, and I'm sorry to be so crude about it, but they have a 'shelf life' which goes up from being young bucks and then drops as their effectiveness diminishes. FC has a budget and he has to make it work, end of really.
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| Quote: roger daly "I have just got back from Benidorm,had a lovely time thanks very much for asking'"
Benidorm says it all.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "But for me it sends out the wrong message. Loyalty will not be rewarded at the bulls.'"
Well it's loyalty or improving the team. As it stands we can't do both. Langley has been a good servant to the club, but his wage is a huge drain on resources which could be better used in other areas of the team. Both he and Platt share a similar "solid if unspectacular" tag and if they were willing to sign on for lower wages, I've no doubt FC would be happy to keep them at the club.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "But for me it sends out the wrong message. Loyalty will not be rewarded at the bulls.'"
And leads to the kind of decisions made by Kopout and Whitehead.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "KR & cas are in for him from what I've heard.
He wanted to be a 1 club man, and I'm gutted to see him go. Stroke of genius by FC when he's already struggling to win the fans over!'"
Well I really would be worried if FC was basing his decisions on what he felt would make him popular with the fans!
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Well I really would be worried if FC was basing his decisions on what he felt would make him popular with the fans!'"
Can't see him being over worried by what we think, to be honest. Let's be honest, the one certainty in a coaching career is that one day you're going to get fired, so it's best to do what you perceive as being in the best interests of the club, so as to put off that day for as long as possible...
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| Let's not canonize Langley just because he has been at Odsal for a number of years.
He has spent much of that time injured,not his fault I agree,but its a fact and he hasn't really hit the heights that many thought he would reach.
If he's been offered X and he hasn't accepted that then fair enough IMO.The money can hopefully buy us some pace in the backs.
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| Quote: Bully_Boxer "Well I really would be worried if FC was basing his decisions on what he felt would make him popular with the fans!'"
So would I. But that doesn't mean he can't take it into account at all.
If we -as Whitcut stated- have the full cap available, then Langley also gets the 50k exemption and he's the type of bloke you need at the club.
FC has talked about having the right attitude, being committed and loyal. Langley fits the bill perfectly, and I would have much preferred him to give a contract to Langley than him sorting his mates/brother in laws contracts out.
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| May get a 50k exception for Langley re the salary cap but this is a paper exercise, the reality is the club still has to find the money to pay his full salary.
He has been a great servant to the club and well paid for this.
Budgets are limited for us all, perhaps club feel they can get better value for the actual cash they pay Jamie and Platty. We all have difficult financial decisions to make.
Life Stuart Fielden last year a lot of folk (me inc) would have liked to see him back at Bulls IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT but it wasn't.
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| We could look elsewhere for our season tickets for better value, but we don't because we are loyal. I'm feeling increasingly likely to make the difficult financial decision to not renew my season ticket.
Maybe robbie can tell us how this fits in with all the hashtag belong nonsense. If anyone 'belongs' its Jamie Langley after his contributions for the last 13 years.
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| Quote: Ewwenorfolk "We could look elsewhere for our season tickets for better value, but we don't because we are loyal. I'm feeling increasingly likely to make the difficult financial decision to not renew my season ticket.
Maybe robbie can tell us how this fits in with all the hashtag belong nonsense. If anyone 'belongs' its Jamie Langley after his contributions for the last 13 years.'"
That's nonsense. Jamie's contract blatantly doesn't offer value for money in it's current state in a similar way to Platty. If we could keep both and still improve the overall squad that would be great but I imagine that on the current wages it's financially impossible. From their pov, if I had been offered the same role in my work for half the pay I'd be moving on fairly sharpish too. I'll be gutted to see him go but not as gutted as I was to see Beaver go to Catalans and continue being the best player in the league, just somewhere else. Jamie has never lived up to being "the next Andy Farrell". He's not a touch on the top Loose Forwards in the league and he hasn't really made a great transition up through the pack. He's a solid player but nothing more. There really is no place for sentiment towards the squad. I'm far happier at retaining Donno and Addy than if they had both gone and we had kept Langley for "sentimental value". Let the new signings continue!
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| I think it's right to let Langley and Platt go.Langley has been a good if not spectacular player for us who's work rate has always been exceptional.Hes also probably been one of the highest earners for a few years now and has shown very good loyalty in the last few years,and the Bulls have also been loyal to him by keep renewing his contract,so lets not say the Bulls are not showing loyalty to him,think the time has come to try get a bit more for the amount of money they are paying him.
As regards Platt,again it's general opinion he's probably on above average contract for a player,who to be honest is nowhere near above average player.Yes he tries very hard but if we want to be nearer the top of the table than the bottom then you would expect every player to try very hard,but with a bit more ability.Bulls signed Platt in 2007 and since then it's been a downward slide,of course that's not Platts fault,but what my point is that since then we have mainly signed players from teams who are below us in the league,if we don't win tonight we will finish 11th this season so not many teams below us this year.The list of very average players we have signed in the last 6 or 7 years is endless and Platt is definately in that list
Platt
Herbert
Worrincey
Godwin
Nero
St Hilaire ( the player and the coach)
Evans
Sheriffe
Feather
And so on and so on
Every signing so far for next season are from teams in the top 8 (Gaskell from Saints not Salford) this has not happened for a long long time,so if we have to lose players who have been comfy for a while so be it
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| Good point about where we sign players from Roger. We need to bring players from successful teams with winning cultures. Hopefully we're beginning to do that.
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| Definatley made some strong signings, most from clubs above us. They've had a good professional upbringing and will complement our crop of youngsters well.
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| Quote: cieranblonde "That's nonsense. Jamie's contract blatantly doesn't offer value for money in it's current state in a similar way to Platty. If we could keep both and still improve the overall squad that would be great but I imagine that on the current wages it's financially impossible. From their pov, if I had been offered the same role in my work for half the pay I'd be moving on fairly sharpish too. I'll be gutted to see him go but not as gutted as I was to see Beaver go to Catalans and continue being the best player in the league, just somewhere else. Jamie has never lived up to being "the next Andy Farrell". He's not a touch on the top Loose Forwards in the league and he hasn't really made a great transition up through the pack. He's a solid player but nothing more. There really is no place for sentiment towards the squad. I'm far happier at retaining Donno and Addy than if they had both gone and we had kept Langley for "sentimental value". Let the new signings continue!'"
You may dismiss it as nonsense, but I know I'm not the only one who feels like that.
There's a difference between sentiment and loyalty.
People keep banging on about not keeping him for sentiment, but its not as though he's a terrible player, and his bad spell with injuries seems to have passed. I genuinely think we'll miss him and I think that he will go on to have a few more decent seasons.
I'm very happy with retaining those two as well. They still have a lot to learn though and a gf & wcc winning player should have plenty to pass on.
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