It depends what side of the estate you're from. I used to live "off Cooper Lane".

That confusion comes from the fact that the council estate "Buttershaw" is actually in Wibsey! Woodside estate is in Buttershaw! (if you look up old maps and boring stuff like that). The area that is borderd by Buttershaw lane, and the bottom 3rd of cooper lane at either side, and Wibsey park ave and Abscott lane is roughly what was historically termed BUttershaw. the area Wibsey, basically covered what is now Wibsey Village, and anything between reevy road and beacon road upto cooper lane!

Doncaster has the racecourse. that is all that could be termed as better than Bradford. Even Jeremy Clarkson is ashamed of being from there!!! and he has no shame!

Doncaster has the racecourse. that is all that could be termed as better than Bradford.

If you like, other than the fact that on a Saturday morning i can go and walk around a nice new, shiney , clean shopping centre.
Also i can not see how you can say that Bradford has a better stadium.
But as i said i'm not interested in points scoring, i live where i live and i am happy, you live where you live and you are happy. It was not me who turned this into a Doncaster v Bradford slanging match, i never mentioned Doncaster, i mentioned the name of the Bulls and what would appear from outside looking in to be a better name (in my opinion).

I am certainly not ashamed of being from Donny, quite proud for reasons I find hard to fathom. I still love the place but think it does no-one much good spending their life in the same place. As for Clarkson, but for a couple of miles we would have been at the same school, in the same year. I deeply regret that as I could have kicked the sh[ii[/it out of him on a daily basis.

The naming of estates has a lot to answer for, in as much as today, for many people, they have taken over the names of the districts. The Buttershaw estate sprawls, as you say, from Wibsey to Bank Top and nearly even (but not quite) into Buttershaw itself. It did, and I guess still does, have a bit of a reputation though, hence the good lady's wish to 'move' herself into Wibsey. The top end of Woodside estate is certainly in Buttershaw (I used to live there) though the bottom isn't, being partially in Royds Hall and even Low Moor at the very bottom.

I personally live in Tyersal. That is the district of Tyersal in Bradford, not the Tyersal estate which isn't in Tyersal (though it does butt up to a corner of it) , or despite the BD4 postcode even in Bradford, but wholly in Pudsey. Maybe we have to accept that these things are somewhat dynamic?

Clarkson is one of those people isn't he?

I mean, I'm not normally one of those people to [ireally[/i dislike someone I've never met, but Clarkson just rubs me up the wrong way with everything he says and everything he does. Normally I go the extra mile to find those 'saving graces' that people have and I can usually find something to make me feel they're not [iall[/i bad, even Hitler liked dogs, didn't he? but Clarkson, no, there's nothing there, no empathy or feeling for a fellow human being, just nothing but an intense dislike.

He's not unique though. Thatcher rubs me up the same way and for many of the same reasons; the arrogance, self interest, the bending of facts to support the conclusion, the belief that she was right and the inability to see any any other point of view. I'm going to lie down in a darkened room..........

That's where I work.
You mean Upper Clayton?

Buttershaw, behind the Cap and Bell pub.

I only judge people by their postcode. I find it fairer.

Now I like Meryl Streep, but I find myself completely unable to even look at a picture of her as Thatcher. I find it more off-putting than pictures of the senile old bag herself.

Too much information

Indeed. You stinking festering pile-of-poo banker-loving grouse-shooting merc-driving mansion-owning Betty's-frequenting capitalist pig!

I lived in bradford for 4 years, its not perfect, but i think its a great city and it will always be my second home.

Ilkley is not 'street', it's 'boulevard'.