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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "IIRC the last time we did some work on the pitch dimensions, c.2009, the plan was to extend the playing area to make it the full 100m which it now is, and I would guess that this meant the in goal ended up about 6 metres, which certainly rings a bell.'"
Sounds about right. The long pitch encourages the arm wrestle in the middle of the pitch which is complimentary to Bradfords style of play. It looks huge compared to the pitch at Cas.
Any team with a small pack will struggle to make the yards at Bradford. You should turn a few sides over at home this season for this reason alone.
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| Taqken from the RFL Official Guide 2011
Club.................. Length (m) Width (m) In Goal Area (m)
Bradford Bulls..........97.2........65..............6
Castleford Tigers......92..........68..............8
Catalans Dragons....100..........68..............8
Crusaders RL .........TBC........TBC..........TBC
Harlequins RL..........100..........67..............6
Huddersfield Giants....98..........68..............6
Hull FC...................100..........68..............6
Hull Kingston Rovers.100..........68..............8
Leeds Rhinos...........100..........68..............5.6
St Helens.................97..........69..............6
Salford City Reds......100.........66..............6
Wakefield Wildcats....100.........68..............7
Warrington Wolves....100.........68..............7
Wigan Warriors.........105.........68..............6
Surprisingly, still one of the smallest...
Slightly bigger playing area than Cas. Cas have exceptionally large in-goal areas. We are in the majority band.
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| Interesting stats Adey. Thanks
We are clearly very much on the average for the in-game area, which shows that the Cas fan complaining about our in-goal area is off the mark.
And I was surprised to see that our pitch is so small. It doesn't look that way when your sitting in the main stand.....
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| Most of the summaries on here so far are pretty accurate so I won't repeat them. Players of the game for me were L'Estrange, Scruton, Kearney and Sykes.
It was nice for me going back to work today where I sit next to a Cas fan. He was at the game yesterday and it was interesting to hear the viewpoint of someone on the other side.
His main concerns were how slow Cas were round the ruck and how easily we seemed to make metres up the middle. he thought we looked eager to play the ball quickly following the tackle and Cas couldn't cope with it. He thought defensively we were immense and couldn't understand why we conceded so many at Hudds last week. I was quick to point out that we didn't defend at all like that last week!
Whilst I highlighted that I didn't think our kicking game was great yesterday, he felt Castlefords was also pretty poor. He couldn't understand sometimes why they didn't get the ball out wide more. On some occasions it looked like they could have got over given our lack of numbers but instead they took it up the middle into a brick wall.
He felt that a lot of articles he has read didn't sum the game up correctly as they all give the impression that we clung on for victory. I suppose we did in a way but he felt we were in control for most of the game and Cas looked devoid of ideas of how to break us down.
All in all he feels we are looking like we'll be a good side. Should we keep improving, and as we get more of our players back from injury, we should start pushing the top teams further in matches.
I find the opinions of other fans a good way of gauging how things are going because after the last couple of years I am reluctant to get too excited/optimistic too easily. It does look however on the basis of the first few matches that we have a lot of reasons to be excited and optimistic.
Yes we've won 3 and lost 3, a distinctly average record.
However the three we lost were against teams you would expect to be in the top 4 which for a team with 11 new players, a new coach and a bad start to the year in terms of injuries is understandable.
The 3 we won are against teams that you would expect to beat if you wanted to finish in positions 5 - 8. We've shown a lot more exciting and varied attacking play and the effort in defence showed the characteristics required if you are to win in big matches.
Progressing nicely I'd say.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Taqken from the RFL Official Guide 2011
Club.................. Length (m) Width (m) In Goal Area (m)
Bradford Bulls..........97.2........65..............6
Castleford Tigers......92..........68..............8
Catalans Dragons....100..........68..............8
Crusaders RL .........TBC........TBC..........TBC
Harlequins RL..........100..........67..............6
Huddersfield Giants....98..........68..............6
Hull FC...................100..........68..............6
Hull Kingston Rovers.100..........68..............8
Leeds Rhinos...........100..........68..............5.6
St Helens.................97..........69..............6
Salford City Reds......100.........66..............6
Wakefield Wildcats....100.........68..............7
Warrington Wolves....100.........68..............7
Wigan Warriors.........105.........68..............6
Surprisingly, still one of the smallest...
Slightly bigger playing area than Cas. Cas have exceptionally large in-goal areas. We are in the majority band.'"
Nice one, Adey.
Didn't know Cas played on a mini-pitch. I suppose the ground being so tight is deceptive. I don't know why they wouldn't reduce the in-goals to 6m, which would mean they could have a 96m pitch. IIRC the length at VP was also 92m. Plus there is NO room at any point around the pitch, it is really, really tight to the walls and, frankly, a bit dodgy for rugby.
Also with regard to us being 97.2, not 100, I also now remember that we were still a touch short, the reason being that they couldn't go back any further without the corners becoming too elevated, and this is the reason why the "30" line at each end is dashed, and not solid - the "missing" yardage is deducted from between the 20 and the 40, and the gaps either side of the dashed line are therefore something like 9.3m long, instead of the regulation 10m.
Note to self, remember this next time a ref on the 30 looks to be taking us back more than the ten.
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| Quote: Adeybull "Taqken from the RFL Official Guide 2011
Club.................. Length (m) Width (m) In Goal Area (m)
Bradford Bulls..........97.2........65..............6
Castleford Tigers......92..........68..............8
Catalans Dragons....100..........68..............8
Crusaders RL .........TBC........TBC..........TBC
Harlequins RL..........100..........67..............6
Huddersfield Giants....98..........68..............6
Hull FC...................100..........68..............6
Hull Kingston Rovers.100..........68..............8
Leeds Rhinos...........100..........68..............5.6
St Helens.................97..........69..............6
Salford City Reds......100.........66..............6
Wakefield Wildcats....100.........68..............7
Warrington Wolves....100.........68..............7
Wigan Warriors.........105.........68..............6
Surprisingly, still one of the smallest...
Slightly bigger playing area than Cas. Cas have exceptionally large in-goal areas. We are in the majority band.'"
If 6m is the minimum then you do have very small in goal areas
So Leeds are breaking the rules by having an in goal of 5.6m??? Throw them out of the league!!!!
The Cas pitch is tiny. That's why I like it. End to end stuff. Like someone said earlier the old father Ted, small, far away logic might apply to Bradford although the away fans at Hull KR are about 3 miles away from the pitch but it looks smaller than Bradford. Also your pitch is bloody narrow looking at those stats, again that suits you driving up the middle. Fair play, measure the pitch out to your advantage.
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| Quote: who needs flankers? "measure the pitch out to your advantage.'"
Which made me see why Saints have their pitch 69m wide.
Hopefully we'll repeat the defensive effort of the Cas match, we'll need to as Saints will be on a high after beating Leeds.
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| Good picture of Scruton going over for his second from the guardianhttps://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Sport/Pix/pictures/2011/3/20/1300650703342/Nick-Scruton-scoring-for--007.jpg" >
Extremely sorry to see he hasn't got rid of that rats tail effort on the back of his head. Proof that you can be a top class sportsman but have no style whatsoever.
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| oh god that made me laugh
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| Quote: Adeybull "Taqken from the RFL Official Guide 2011
Club.................. Length (m) Width (m) In Goal Area (m)
Bradford Bulls..........97.2........65..............6
Castleford Tigers......92..........68..............8
Catalans Dragons....100..........68..............8
Crusaders RL .........TBC........TBC..........TBC
Harlequins RL..........100..........67..............6
Huddersfield Giants....98..........68..............6
Hull FC...................100..........68..............6
Hull Kingston Rovers.100..........68..............8
Leeds Rhinos...........100..........68..............5.6
St Helens.................97..........69..............6
Salford City Reds......100.........66..............6
Wakefield Wildcats....100.........68..............7
Warrington Wolves....100.........68..............7
Wigan Warriors.........105.........68..............6
Surprisingly, still one of the smallest...
Slightly bigger playing area than Cas. Cas have exceptionally large in-goal areas. We are in the majority band.'"
Cheers for those mate
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| tut tut look at leeds trying to take any advantage they can
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| rlDefence wins it for Bullsrl
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| Quote: Bullseye "Which made me see why Saints have their pitch 69m wide.
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It's only wide to the West, IIRC
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| Quote: Adeybull "Taqken from the RFL Official Guide 2011
Club.................. Length (m) Width (m) In Goal Area (m)
Bradford Bulls..........97.2........65..............6
Castleford Tigers......92..........68..............8
Catalans Dragons....100..........68..............8
Crusaders RL .........TBC........TBC..........TBC
Harlequins RL..........100..........67..............6
Huddersfield Giants....98..........68..............6
Hull FC...................100..........68..............6
Hull Kingston Rovers.100..........68..............8
Leeds Rhinos...........100..........68..............5.6
St Helens.................97..........69..............6
Salford City Reds......100.........66..............6
Wakefield Wildcats....100.........68..............7
Warrington Wolves....100.........68..............7
Wigan Warriors.........105.........68..............6
Surprisingly, still one of the smallest...
Slightly bigger playing area than Cas. Cas have exceptionally large in-goal areas. We are in the majority band.'"
Couple of points. I'd always assumed the new grounds like the Galpharm, JJb and Widnes (I assume that's the Saints) were exactly 100m and I'm surprised they're not. Especially at Wigan, since the ruling is 100m or as near as possible to 100m, surely that means that 100m is the maximum? The relevant note on the rules says - [iFor adult games the dimensions should be as near maximum as possible to the dimensions stipulated.[/i
If you're at 95m you can reasonably argue that you've tried to get as near as possible, but surely not if you're 105m? That must be deliberately going over.
As someone else has already mentioned the Leeds in-goal size is also a bit strange. Again the rule - as near the maximum as possible - can't really be equated to less than the minimum? If there is a problem with length then they could easily cut a couple of metres from the playing area (which would be legal), so it's not exactly to the letter of the laws.
The poster who suggested the corners weren't as high as they once were is correct. They certainly haven't gone down recently but going back a few years (still a good while after the speedway finished) they were much higher than they are now. Incidentally, wasn't there a problem with the foundations of the stand which prevented the Odsal pitch being lengthened? I'm sure I can remember Peter Hood saying this at a fans forum.
Errm, that's more than two points, now I can't count
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| Quote: Bulliac "Couple of points. I'd always assumed the new grounds like the Galpharm, JJb and Widnes (I assume that's the Saints) were exactly 100m and I'm surprised they're not. Especially at Wigan, since the ruling is 100m or as near as possible to 100m, surely that means that 100m is the maximum? The relevant note on the rules says - [iFor adult games the dimensions should be as near maximum as possible to the dimensions stipulated.[/i
If you're at 95m you can reasonably argue that you've tried to get as near as possible, but surely not if you're 105m? That must be deliberately going over.
As someone else has already mentioned the Leeds in-goal size is also a bit strange. Again the rule - as near the maximum as possible - can't really be equated to less than the minimum? If there is a problem with length then they could easily cut a couple of metres from the playing area (which would be legal), so it's not exactly to the letter of the laws.
The poster who suggested the corners weren't as high as they once were is correct. They certainly haven't gone down recently but going back a few years (still a good while after the speedway finished) they were much higher than they are now. Incidentally, wasn't there a problem with the foundations of the stand which prevented the Odsal pitch being lengthened? I'm sure I can remember Peter Hood saying this at a fans forum.
Errm, that's more than two points, now I can't count
I remember that comment too and it was also reason why pitch cant be flattened anymore in corners than it is now Iirc.
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