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Quote: Frosties. "We could be without Ryan Bailey, Keith Senior and Brent Webb if red hall have there say. As well as, Lee Smith, Danny McGuire, Jamie Peacock, Ali Lauitiiti, Ben Jones-Bishop, Zak Hardaker. If so we will probably go with something like


I wouldn't worry about it. You can put your 2nd team out and still give us a spanking.

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Quote: DILLIGAF "From what I understand, Brent Webb's offence was nothing more than a yellow card, so I can't see him being missing. Red Hall will never ban Keith Senior as he's been allowed to do whatever he wants for about 10 years now without punishment, although that's mainly on the field decisions rather than off it. Bailey won't be so lucky as it's not as if he has "previous record" to help him out.

I hope Ben Cross plays. Mainly because he's a complete waste of money and quota spot places (and it seems quite a few Rhinos agree). Certainly not the best signing to come to Headingley in recent years!'"


You seem to be confused. Senior was sent off for flattening that smug git from Saints, disgracefully he wasn't given a knighthood for that, but it was SOS IIRC. Bailey, depite all the hysteria, has never been sent off before. Bailey's SO on Friday was harsh, as was LO'D's. Even if Bailey et al were banned Leeds should have more than enough to stuff Bradford, however I am not expecting it.

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Quote: tigertot "You seem to be confused. Senior was sent off for flattening that smug git from Saints, disgracefully he wasn't given a knighthood for that, but it was SOS IIRC. Bailey, depite all the hysteria, has never been sent off before. Bailey's SO on Friday was harsh, as was LO'D's. Even if Bailey et al were banned Leeds should have more than enough to stuff Bradford, however I am not expecting it.'"


I haven't seen what Bailey did on Friday, so can't really comment. At the moment I'm judging it on the fact that most Leeds fans were even slating him for it, which is usually an indication that there was no excuse.

Senior I'm more referring to him running in at fights, obstructing CONSTANTLY and his PTB Interference. The sort of stuff he does pretty much constantly throughout a game but somehow manages to completely get away with. Every now and again, he will get pegged for something when it's so blatant it's impossible to ignore, but generally he gets away with more than any player I've seen.

Again though, I've not seen what he's done this time, so I couldn't possibly say if he deserves to be banned or not in this case.

I do completely agree though that Leeds will be massive favourites for our match on Thursday, despite their recent poor form.

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Quote: tigertot "Must be lightning then.'"



Lightning enough to finish the try.

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Bateman gotta play. The lads got some attacking talent, which is exactly what we need.

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Quote: DILLIGAF "I haven't seen what Bailey did on Friday, so can't really comment. At the moment I'm judging it on the fact that most Leeds fans were even slating him for it, which is usually an indication that there was no excuse.

Senior I'm more referring to him running in at fights, obstructing CONSTANTLY and his PTB Interference. The sort of stuff he does pretty much constantly throughout a game but somehow manages to completely get away with. Every now and again, he will get pegged for something when it's so blatant it's impossible to ignore, but generally he gets away with more than any player I've seen.

Again though, I've not seen what he's done this time, so I couldn't possibly say if he deserves to be banned or not in this case.

I do completely agree though that Leeds will be massive favourites for our match on Thursday, despite their recent poor form.'"


The SL site had it in its entirety, however it is difficult to see what happens for the full duration. Bailey seems to take Brown without the ball, whether deliberately or he expected him to take a pass is largely irrelevant. Bailey picks him off the ground by his collar & keeps hold, Brown pushes him away a couple of times without success, Bailey gives him a smack. IMO Brown did nothing wrong, unless he said something, Bailey did what any enforcer should do. Don't laugh. There is a minor fray which is nearly over until LOD, who must have been in the changing rooms, arrives like a delayed train to be met by a beaut from Bailey. All hell breaks loose. No-one got hurt. Bailey got SO, Giants myopic fans say he spat at children in the away end, complete tosh as reasonable Giants fans have confirmed. LOD is pointing & gesticulating all the way to the tunnel when he gets his orders. It was nothing, Rhinos fans are concentrating on it as it was the only positive out of the performance.

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Hopefully, with Ah Van, Platty and Shad supposedly back, we should line up like..

Kearney
Ainscough
Platt
Shad/Walker
Ah Van
Briggs (I still have faith)
Herbert
Lynch
Disko
Koppy
Walker/Whitehead
Elima
Olbison

Donaldson
Hargreaves
L'estrange
Burgess

With Raynor and Sykes dropping out of the 19 and Bateman and Whitehead/Shad just missing out of the 17!

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Quote: jonni911 "Hopefully, with Ah Van, Platty and Shad supposedly back, we should line up like..

Kearney
Ainscough
Platt
Shad/Walker
Ah Van
Briggs (I still have faith)
Herbert
Lynch
Disko
Koppy
Walker/Whitehead
Elima
Olbison

Donaldson
Hargreaves
L'estrange
Burgess

With Raynor and Sykes dropping out of the 19 and Bateman and Whitehead/Shad just missing out of the 17!'"


Not sure Briggs will get to play again, move Kearney back to the halves and Royston to FB.

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Quote: tigertot "The SL site had it in its entirety, however it is difficult to see what happens for the full duration. Bailey seems to take Brown without the ball, whether deliberately or he expected him to take a pass is largely irrelevant. Bailey picks him off the ground by his collar & keeps hold, Brown pushes him away a couple of times without success, Bailey gives him a smack. IMO Brown did nothing wrong, unless he said something, Bailey did what any enforcer should do. Don't laugh. There is a minor fray which is nearly over until LOD, who must have been in the changing rooms, arrives like a delayed train to be met by a beaut from Bailey. All hell breaks loose. No-one got hurt. Bailey got SO, Giants myopic fans say he spat at children in the away end, complete tosh as reasonable Giants fans have confirmed. LOD is pointing & gesticulating all the way to the tunnel when he gets his orders. It was nothing, Rhinos fans are concentrating on it as it was the only positive out of the performance.'"


To be fair, the way you describe it, I'd still expect Bailey to get a ban, purely based on past record. Sending Off Sufficient is often called because the player hasn't got a bad record, but that certainly won't be the case for Ryan. While I agree he's doing his job as the enforcer, you just can't do that in the modern game. Taking someone out off the ball, then picking them up again and chinning them is not the sort of incident they'll just let go.

I think had the incident just been the fight between Bailey & LOD, we probably would just be seeing SOS. But with the whole thing between him and Brown, I'd suggest he'll cop a ban.

I'll have to try and find this footage later so I can have a good watch for myself though!

Oh and I expected the whole "spitting at the crowd" thing to be b0llocks from the moment I heard it.

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Quote: DILLIGAF "To be fair, the way you describe it, I'd still expect Bailey to get a ban, purely based on past record.'"


What record? This was his first sending off in SL. Or are you referring to his off-field record?

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Get bateman in the squad!! Some1 with passion/pride/determination and most of all courage

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "What record? This was his first sending off in SL. Or are you referring to his off-field record?'"


General disciplinary record, which is what they take into account. I don't know it off the top of my head, but I would assume he has a reasonably colourful one? (I'm genuinely intrigued now to see if he has).

I wouldn't think his prison sentence would (or in fact should) be taken into account, as it has nothing to do with RL.

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Quote: Exeter Rhino "What record? This was his first sending off in SL. Or are you referring to his off-field record?'"


I hope he gets away with sending off sufficient. Should add some spice to the game.

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Quote: DILLIGAF "To be fair, the way you describe it, I'd still expect Bailey to get a ban, purely based on past record. Sending Off Sufficient is often called because the player hasn't got a bad record, but that certainly won't be the case for Ryan. While I agree he's doing his job as the enforcer, you just can't do that in the modern game. Taking someone out off the ball, then picking them up again and chinning them is not the sort of incident they'll just let go.'"


IMO you need players in your team who the opposition know you don't mess with unless you want a scuffle. If you accept that you have to accept they are going to get the odd ban. Despite what most think Bailey has not tried to be that enforcer, no more so than your average forward.I respect any player who does it honestly & openly & accepts their punishment, rather than a cheap shot merchant 3rd man in.

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Quote: Mission "Not sure Briggs will get to play again, move Kearney back to the halves and Royston to FB.'"

bit harsh after one game. Need to give him a few games at least before considering dropping him IMO. Herbert looked poor his first game too but is gradually improving with more gametime.

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