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Quote: debaser "I was off for two days due to snow (I'm a teacher too) and I worked all day both days. Most teachers I know spent the days working too. Teachers got bashed all day yesterday on the radio for being "too lazy" to go into work, when everyone else had to.

The one who texted in to say he was off to the pub made me laugh. I could almost hear the phone lines jamming in protest. It was a joke by the way.

My children's school was open both days - less than half the children bothered to come in, even though 95% of them could walk to school.

My school is open today - less than half the kids are here, and ALL of them live within walking distance of the school. Is it the teacher's fault too that they are not in today?

I remember my school shutting for snow in the 70s and 80s. Its always happened. And it's going to get worse and worse, the more law suits that school's have to deal with from parents of children who get injured and the more pressure OFSTED put on school's to improve their attendance.'"


You will note I tried to report and give my experience factually. I specifically avoided expressing an opinion. Was interested in any responses.

FWIW, my opinion is actually:

1. That teacher who was interviewed was guilty of a piece of appalling PR for the profession. She may or may not have been working from home, but several people I have spoken to (one of whom had to pay a lot for an emergency child minder so she could get to work) who saw the clip were scathing about the attitude that came across. It is of course unclear whether the reaction was deserved or otherwise, and we do not know what may have been edited out.

2. I have a lot of sympathy with head-teachers who have to make the close/open decision - damned if they do and damned if they don't most especially because of the heath and safety bollox. And I recall speaking several years ago to a head teacher, of a local school, who used to go to same gym as me - she said that (as in all jobs) there were always some teachers who she knew would not try to get in, and others who bust a gut to. And she was the one who got both barrels from the latter regarding the former, and said what could she do about it? And that point you make about OFSTED attendance %ages - interesting one that, cos not heard it made before. Yet another example of the law of unexpected consequences?

3. I actually agree entirely with your point about parents who seemingly do not make an attempt to get their children to school. You will see I was aiming my "made it in regardless" comment at both teachers and children. I remember last year talking to a teacher who said whenever there was snow or ice, loads of children whose parents who were at home all day (for whatever reason) did not turn up citing the conditions, whereas most of those whose parents had to go to work did. Strange.

4. When I was a kid (I finished school in 1974, and admittedly went to school in a Midlands market town so we had neither quite the weather severity nor quite the hills of this area) I cannot remember a school in the town not opening once due to snow. My mother told me the same. Most of the kids from the many outlying villages made it in, in the school buses. A big difference I recall was that roads and pavements seemed to be cleared far better in those days - most people cleared outside their own houses rather than saying "someone" should do it. And I recall that, for example, whenever it snowed the dustbinmen all changed into snowploughmen. And of course there were far fewer cars about and far more people walked or cycled to school then - and no-one was worried about bloody paedophiles and other vermin.

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Quote: debaser "Couldn't agree more.
And they dont start til 9.30, and they finish bt 2.30, and what about all those holidays, and they retire at 60, and what about their golden pension.

They need to get a proper job. Teachers! Ive $hit 'em. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: eddievan "Those bloody teachers are all lazy gets. If their school was closed they sould all have been out gritting the roads and pavements so that others could get to work or to the shops or the pub. They should have their money docked and all access to the test match should be banned. We never closed schools in my day even when the snow was 20 metres thick.

Lazy idle ba$tards.
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Surely they never had metres in your day...? icon_wink.gif

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Quote: debaser "Couldn't agree more.
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Quote: eddievan "And they dont start til 9.30, and they finish bt 2.30, and what about all those holidays, and they retire at 60, and what about their golden pension.

They need to get a proper job. Teachers! Ive $hit 'em.
Whole new can of worms opening.....done

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Quote: eddievan "And they dont start til 9.30, and they finish bt 2.30, and what about all those holidays, and they retire at 60, and what about their golden pension.

They need to get a proper job. Teachers! Ive $hit 'em.

Too right if they want it to go out sledging they should do it during the 6 weeks holidays.

I can't work out who I think is worse at the moment teachers or Anjem Choudhary!

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Too right if they want it to go out sledging they should do it during the 6 weeks holidays.
I can't work out who I think is worse at the moment teachers or Anjem Choudhary!'"


icon_lol.gif Genius.

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Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Too right if they want it to go out sledging they should do it during the 6 weeks holidays.

I can't work out who I think is worse at the moment teachers or Anjem Choudhary!'"



At least he didn't skive off work the last few days.

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Quote: eddievan "And they dont start til 9.30, and they finish bt 2.30, and what about all those holidays, and they retire at 60, and what about their golden pension.

They need to get a proper job. Teachers! Ive $hit 'em.
67 now for me, unless I go off early on medical grounds. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: debaser "67 now for me, unless I go off early on medical grounds.

You wont last til your 67. We all die or go mental in our late 50's.

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Quote: eddievan "You wont last til your 67. We all die or go mental in our late 50's.'"


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Quote: debaser "I was off for two days due to snow (I'm a teacher too) and I worked all day both days. Most teachers I know spent the days working too. Teachers got bashed all day yesterday on the radio for being "too lazy" to go into work, when everyone else had to.

The one who texted in to say he was off to the pub made me laugh. I could almost hear the phone lines jamming in protest. It was a joke by the way.

My children's school was open both days - less than half the children bothered to come in, even though 95% of them could walk to school.

My school is open today - less than half the kids are here, and ALL of them live within walking distance of the school. Is it the teacher's fault too that they are not in today?

I remember my school shutting for snow in the 70s and 80s. Its always happened. And it's going to get worse and worse, the more law suits that school's have to deal with from parents of children who get injured and the more pressure OFSTED put on school's to improve their attendance.'"


No, it hasn`t always happened. I was at school during the fifties and early sixties (when this weeks snow and ice would have been regarded as being very much on the low side of average) and can honestly say that none of the schools I attended were ever closed because of snow or ice, though I do remember a friend who missed some time due to the boiler not working. I fully appreciate that we just don`t get enough snow to become used to it these days, and I accept the `blame culture` argument, but does no one feel any personal responsibility anymore?

I understand that if you work in a different town you are in a bit of a bind but living and working (or kids going to school) in Bradford, if you can`t get the car out, then walk! It`s just a few inches of snow for Pete`s sake.....

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Quote: DILLIGAF "That's spot on yeah. That's also why my Astra has far more trouble getting out of my estate in snow than my old Fiesta used to. This is possibly the only time I actually miss that car....'"


Yeah that's my experience too. I find it embarassing that I have to park two streets away whereas my neighbour with the battered Fiesta sails up the street.

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The funniest thing I have seen was a bloke stuck at Manchester Airport whose plane was cancelled. He was going to Finland to take part in a management team bonding exercise building igloos! Unfortunately in my experience people travelling around the place to complete totally pointless tasks with little social use is actually what most of our economy is built upon, and I am a bit wary of those who remember the snow always being deeper, the schools always being open, the trains always running on time, in some past golden age, very rarely proves to be the case.

I am also encouraged that people take the personal responsibility of hanging out with their kids and playing in the snow more seriously than doing jobs they don't like. As for trying to make teachers etc feel guilty for not working, i'd begin with making investment bankers feel guilty for working first. I'm sure economists will keep bleating about how much the 'economy' is losing, but then again they haven't quite understood that the economy is about the service of human needs and not the other way around, so stuff them.

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