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| And suddenly things are a lot clearer...
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| The Batley chairman is correct to say that the 'eights' do provide a genuine chance of promotion, though this is very largely on the back of two, independent but connected, big changes from the position when the system was first started.
The first was bringing in the change which allowed the same cap for ALL the clubs involved and the second was the new clubs, Toronto and Toulouse. As we have seen with Leigh, if they couldn't compete with a wealthy owner, it's very doubtful that any other of the current, traditional championship clubs would have the money to make use of the increased cap to even get promoted , let alone survive that first year. Unless there are other very well funded 'foreign' clubs out there, I feel the way up for most clubs would be barred under this system. So what happens to the eights next? Assuming there are no other new clubs coming through I think it will be dropped and we'll be back to some form of licensing or SL membership scheme, maybe with an independent SL, free from the control of the RFL. After SLexit, as it were.
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| 1 up 1 down with the option for a 2nd Championship club to go up at the expense of the 11th placed club makes sense. It's similar to the current system AND it means that you won't have the club who's 11th but with a buffer between them and 12 shutting up shop for the year as they'll be pushing to avoid 11th place as well having to ensure they are competitive enough to avoid the drop.
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| Well unless there is a change to the structure, then it's the play-offs as York have overcome their last bannana skin.
Was a good game to watch although i have to say after his farcical performance refereeing us and Workington, i'd love to know how Mullhern got a big game in York/Oldham. Unsurprisingly he got a huge call wrong at the end. Oldham kick, York player fields it, loses ball in tackle. Oldham regather and then take the tackle. He then gives the hand over to York. I mean the outcome didn't match any possible play that happened. Whether it went forward or backwards Oldham got to the ball first so its a fresh set of 6! Last minute too! When so much is at stake why is it acceptable to have this level of officiating who don't seem to know the rules. He's guranteed to ref the play-off semi or final isn't he. Anyway rant over.
Well done York. They fully deserve top spot IMO A club on the up!
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| Great Stat on Twitter in that York have had eight games decided by a score or less this year, and won seven of them. By contrast, the Bulls have had four and lost three of them, the only win vs York first day of the season.
York certain deserve the title IMO, and we need to start winning close games if we are to take part in the playoffs.
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| Quote: amberavenger "Great Stat on Twitter in that York have had eight games decided by a score or less this year, and won seven of them. By contrast, the Bulls have had four and lost three of them, the only win vs York first day of the season.
York certain deserve the title IMO, and we need to start winning close games if we are to take part in the playoffs.'" ]
I noticed this today after looking at who their final two opponents were. York certainly weren’t all that impressive today but they seem to find a way to grind out a win. The amount of ball that Oldham spilled in good position was criminal and I’m sure Naylor will feel they blew a chance in that 2nd half to snatch a result.
As for the Bulls, they have lost twice at home against their promotion rivals, that is a big concern. Let’s hope they can pull it together and string some performances together when it matters in the play offs. Can’t see York slipping up now with two fairly easy games left to go.
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| Let's hope York see it as "two easy games to go"...
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| Will we find out the outcome of this meeting actually on Friday? Will there be someone looking for white smoke from one of the many industrial chimneys at Red Hall?
Or presumably, as is the way with anything important involved with the RFL,will it be a botched press statement days after the news has leaked out from multiple sources anyway?
I think this is probably a rhetorical question. As the people who are participating in the meeting probably don't know themselves how it is to be announced, so there is bugger all chance of us poor saps knowing.
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| Quote: Nothus "This game is meaningless regardless of the outcome of the vote on Friday.
The new structure gets approved and we're up anyway. The new structure doesn't get approved and we can't be caught by whoever is in third place so again it doesn't matter.'"
Is the increase to 14 clubs for the championship still part of the structure changes though?. This was initial proposal that the lower league clubs rejected. All the talk about fridays vote is to do with removal of eights and funding for next three years. I haven't seen any mention of the increase to 14 for championship in any of the reports about the vote, so are we just assuming thats still in there?
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| I understand a clear, unequivocal statement is to be released at 1600 on Friday delivered to the people of Narnia by Lord Lucan sat astride Shergar whilst being cheered on by Comical Ali
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| Quote: mat "Is the increase to 14 clubs for the championship still part of the structure changes though?. This was initial proposal that the lower league clubs rejected. All the talk about fridays vote is to do with removal of eights and funding for next three years. I haven't seen any mention of the increase to 14 for championship in any of the reports about the vote, so are we just assuming thats still in there?'"
The change to 14 is still part of the talks, has been mentioned by a few journos over the past week or so.
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| I'm not so sure.
This is from Aaron Bower on twitter
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Clubs are voting on ratification of financial guarantees from 2021 onwards and the scrapping of the Super 8s to a one-up, one-down system.
A simple 28-27 majority passes the proposals - but there needs to be a minimum four votes from both sides on any majority. So if SL are united and get 28 votes with the community game, four Ch/L1 clubs must support them. If that makes sense.
It’s then up to Ch/L1 to determine whether the Champ goes to 14 and how the promotion spot is decided (top are champs or a play-off system). Super League cannot, and do not want to, influence those talks. If proposals are passed, funding would be largely similar post-2021..
TV deal worth roughly £36mil per year. £10mil goes to RFL, and £5mil of that goes to Ch/L1. If the same deal is secured post-2021, RFL would get £8.3mil per year - however, the rights would be released for Ch/L1 to go out and get their own TV deal.'"
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| So, yes, it still could happen then...
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| Quote: amberavenger "So, yes, it still could happen then...'"
Perhaps not on Friday though.
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| Quote: Nothus "I'm not so sure.
This is from Aaron Bower on twitter
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Suppose if it goes to the Ch/Ch1 clubs to decide then it comes down to whether an extra two home games but with funding split 14 ways, is worth more than staying at a 12 way split but with two less games. Could see that dragging out until after season ends and they see whos going up under present system.
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