I think therein lies the problem.

Cant we stick to who we will sign & retain for 2011? Far more interesting!!

I thank you for your intellectual input to this interesting thread, you've obviously just skimmed over the previously posted comments and not thought about any of them. Now run along.

So I should be afraid of what might just happen in 150 years time? The chances of an Islamic state within mine or my daughter's lifetime are so remote as not to cause me concern. I am very concerned about the situation in Afghanistan etc, & its causes, especially as my brother in law goes back out there in 6 weeks. I am very concerned about the effects of those who manipulate religion, the principles of freedom of expression, & the pleasures that you list, but my comments were limited to this country & its likelihood of it becoming Islamified. Unless we start giving autonomy to the regions the fact that Bradford might have a higher degree of religious & racial bigots is relatively insignificant. It is when racist scum like the EDL exploit it that the difficulties in Bradford get blown out of proportion.

Given the concerns that many people have about "Islamification" wether it takes 10 years or 50, how do you think it can be addressed if not through demonstration?..It is being addressed in other european countries at government level but not in the UK. maybe a more open dialogue at least would help?

IMO those demonstrating under the EDL banner are ignorant, racist scum, unable to see beyond the headlines of the Sun. I have been on many demonstrations & non-violent direct actions against things I oppose, & have campaigned against restrictions on my right to do so. I would wager 99% of EDL are hardly aware of the real effects of recent legislation. EDL are not marching in Bradford to express concerns, they are trying to inflame a powder keg.
Please clarify what other European countries are doing to address Islamification.

Switzerland have recently banned any further building of Minorets and Belguim and France are set to ban the Burka which is likely to be followed by others.

Do you agree that Islamification is happening at all? and are you in favour with it?

No. I'm going to stay here and declare that anyone who claims the EDL is not a racist organisation (as you did) is themselves a racist moron. They're the most actively and obviously racist group operating in the country today. Your "a couple of bad eggs" theory is obvious bull.

Here we go, a good debate turned into personal insults by 1 idiot, i wondered how long it would be until i was accused of being a racist.

The EDL is(or claims to be) a multi ethnic, multi faith organisation with Jewish, Black, Sikh members who oppose radical Islam. I'm sure they have their fair share of racist idiots that attach themselves to group for their own agenda. Just as the UAF who claim to be anti facist group (when it suits) have their fair share of thugs who have their own warped agenda.

Can you understand that? or do i need to carry on re-typing until you can?

It's a not a good debate. It's the same "where do we draw the line?" bull being peddled by one idiot who first thinks the EDL should be given a fair crack of the whip in the name of freedom, irrespective of who's freedom that actually fscks up, and then declares they're not a racist organisation. It's the way all these debates go when those involved aren't prepared to tell the racist elephant in the room what a fscking idiot he is.



You'll be typing a long time before your views and mine accidentally collide. Give it a shot though, see how you get on.

Again i thank you for your input, you clearly are very passionate about racist, fascist, intollorent people. I'm sure you were present to demonstrate against the Islamic Lunatics who were abusing our troops, or did you choose not to notice on those occasions? thought so.. And you really should stop putting yourself down, you'll end up with an inferiority complex.

I don't intend on commenting on the debate as I think it's a great big bloomin' powderkeg, but I would like to ask if the AUP doesn't apply to this thread?

If it does, without trying to tell the mods how to do their job, there seems to be some posts that need to be removed I'd say?

I'm guessing Judge666 won't be reading 'We Are A Muslim, Please'

I expected you would come back with the burka ban. On one extreme the burka is a disgusting piece of modern slavery that is not a requirement in the Koran , on the other it should be anyone's right to cover their face if they choose to do so, as long as it is appropriate. If France & Belgium really are so concerned about women's rights they could start by addressing inequalities in opportunity & pay. Overall, I'm probably in favour of the ban.

I don't know what you mean by Islamification as I do not buy the Sun or Mail. If you mean are more young people turning to extremes of Islam, undoubtedly. I'm not in favour of anyone turning to any religion as an answer to local or global situations. However, if you think banning symbols of Islam, real or pretend, is going to stop this without addressing why scores of young people are prepared to blow themselves to millions of pieces I fear you are going to be disappointed.

Why? In 10 years on these boards it's about the first time it's been openly debated. What are you afraid of?